Comments on: Gestures and metadata

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By: Jay Fienberg

Jay Fienberg — Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:36:47 +0000

“it’s only a real rock (as opposed to, say, an imaginary one) if it is present to us as something that exists independent of its presence to us. In computer terms, that’s metadata. In Heidegger’s terms (well, sort of), that’s a gesture”

I totally don’t get this comparison to metadata. Are you suggesting the relationship between data and metadata is like the relationship between a real rock and an imaginary one?

I’d suggest: the relationship between data and metadata is like the relationship between rocks in a rock garden and rocks used to line the border of the rock garden.

By: AKMA

AKMA — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:35:17 +0000

Man! That'll teach me to be slow to respond — I was thikning of exactly that story.

By: James Governor

James Governor — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:11:21 +0000

gestures.

there is a lovely story about Wittgenstein. While he still working on the notion of essences, platonic forms and meaning tied to “objects in the world” he was on a train journey with a friend – an Italian economist, who argued against a one-to-one relationship between meaning and objects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piero_Sraffa
[man i can't believe it was 17 years since i studied this]

Sraffa made the famous neapolitan hand under the chin gesture, according to malcol, which enabled a conceptual breakthrough and the drive towards a theory of “meaning as use”

Wittgenstein was insisting that a proposition and that which it describes must have the same ‘logical form’, the same ‘logical multiplicity’, Sraffa made a gesture, familiar to Neapolitans as meaning something like disgust or contempt, of brushing the underneath of his chin with an outward sweep of the finger-tips of one hand. And he asked: ‘What is the logical form of that?’

Wittgenstein was of course, not a Nazi.