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	<title>Comments on: [berkman] Wendy Seltzer on copyright technology policy</title>
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	<description>Let's just see what happens</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Hoffman Yip</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2006/10/31/berkman-wendy-seltzer-on-copyright-technology-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-23911</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Hoffman Yip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m actually the one who asked Wendy Seltzer the question about &quot;patronage&quot; during her Berkman Center discussion.  I elaborate on the details of our discourse on my blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually the one who asked Wendy Seltzer the question about &#8220;patronage&#8221; during her Berkman Center discussion.  I elaborate on the details of our discourse on my blog, <a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Hoffman Yip</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2006/10/31/berkman-wendy-seltzer-on-copyright-technology-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-23910</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Hoffman Yip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m actually the one who asked Wendy Seltzer the question about &quot;patronage&quot; during her Berkman Center discussion.  I elaborate on the details of our discourse on my blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually the one who asked Wendy Seltzer the question about &#8220;patronage&#8221; during her Berkman Center discussion.  I elaborate on the details of our discourse on my blog, <a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/jeffyip/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2006/10/31/berkman-wendy-seltzer-on-copyright-technology-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-23909</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Government support should probably be reserved for unpopular art that nevertheless remains vital to preserve the nation&#039;s cultural heritage.

However, this is simply one extreme patron in the wide spectrum of potential patrons. After governments you get plutocrats, then well heeled &#039;friends&#039;, and all the way down to kids with pennies for pocket money.

No-one seems to be considering that matching the long tail of art is a long tail of patronage.

It is only because people have a narrow, archaic view of patronage that they conclude it is the preserve of a wealthy few with esoteric or obscure tastes.

Unfortunately, people still veer towards taxation as a solution, rather than letting an artist&#039;s audience deal directly with the artist.

&quot;Ah, but...&quot;, they say &quot;we can measure the popularity of art in order to appropriately disburse the colossal fund collected from taxation to artists.&quot;. Some marbled soviet floors in that plan methinks.

There are new kinds of markets for new kinds of conversations.

Collective markets to enable artists to converse with their audience en masse.

I&#039;m working on a foundation to support such markets. I&#039;ve called it the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.contingencymarket.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Contingency Market&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;ll be free, but poetically, I&#039;ll be using it to accept any patronage people proffer.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government support should probably be reserved for unpopular art that nevertheless remains vital to preserve the nation&#8217;s cultural heritage.</p>
<p>However, this is simply one extreme patron in the wide spectrum of potential patrons. After governments you get plutocrats, then well heeled &#8216;friends&#8217;, and all the way down to kids with pennies for pocket money.</p>
<p>No-one seems to be considering that matching the long tail of art is a long tail of patronage.</p>
<p>It is only because people have a narrow, archaic view of patronage that they conclude it is the preserve of a wealthy few with esoteric or obscure tastes.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, people still veer towards taxation as a solution, rather than letting an artist&#8217;s audience deal directly with the artist.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ah, but&#8230;&#8221;, they say &#8220;we can measure the popularity of art in order to appropriately disburse the colossal fund collected from taxation to artists.&#8221;. Some marbled soviet floors in that plan methinks.</p>
<p>There are new kinds of markets for new kinds of conversations.</p>
<p>Collective markets to enable artists to converse with their audience en masse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a foundation to support such markets. I&#8217;ve called it the <a href="http://www.contingencymarket.com" rel="nofollow">Contingency Market</a>. It&#8217;ll be free, but poetically, I&#8217;ll be using it to accept any patronage people proffer.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weinberger</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2006/10/31/berkman-wendy-seltzer-on-copyright-technology-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-23908</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weinberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wendy was saying that patronage and gov&#039;t grants are good and she&#039;d vote for paying more taxes if it went to support the arts, but that&#039;s not the only model we want because the gov&#039;t shouldn&#039;t be the sole arbiter of what is art. Something like that. She explained it better than I represented it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy was saying that patronage and gov&#8217;t grants are good and she&#8217;d vote for paying more taxes if it went to support the arts, but that&#8217;s not the only model we want because the gov&#8217;t shouldn&#8217;t be the sole arbiter of what is art. Something like that. She explained it better than I represented it.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2006/10/31/berkman-wendy-seltzer-on-copyright-technology-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-23907</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We don&#039;t want to return on patronage&quot;???

Why not? Is there really a groundswell opinion among artists that says &quot;I&#039;d rather starve than accept any filthy lucre from those members of my audience most interested in my work&quot;?

Artist, meet your audience.
Audience, meet your artist.

Why such a revulsion against patronage? It doesn&#039;t even need copyright, nor does it require taking any kids to court.

Art for money, money for art.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t want to return on patronage&#8221;???</p>
<p>Why not? Is there really a groundswell opinion among artists that says &#8220;I&#8217;d rather starve than accept any filthy lucre from those members of my audience most interested in my work&#8221;?</p>
<p>Artist, meet your audience.<br />
Audience, meet your artist.</p>
<p>Why such a revulsion against patronage? It doesn&#8217;t even need copyright, nor does it require taking any kids to court.</p>
<p>Art for money, money for art.</p>
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