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	<title>Comments on: Occult of the Amateur</title>
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	<description>Let's just see what happens</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Fienberg</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2007/06/28/occult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-13779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Fienberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I got about halfway through the video; then I&#039;d had enough. You were good though!)

I think Keen&#039;s dichotomy is pretty bogus, e.g., pairing the NYT best seller list vs a popular blog list ignores the deeper issue that both are products of cultures / communities / systems that are extremely limited and isolated compared with the whole of human expression.

A more fair comparison might be between the Grammy Awards and who&#039;s popular on MySpace. But, that should just highlight how much both measures, if that&#039;s all we had to choose from, would fail to represent the majority of the world&#039;s great music.

What&#039;s interesting is what&#039;s really out there, and the web helps because there&#039;s so much out there that physical / analog space and time gets in the way sometimes.

I do feel, however, that Keen&#039;s ideas are a natural extension of web 2.0 zealotry. I mean, web 2.0 is, in some ways, represenative of a very small culture / community / system of people on the web who sometimes assert the same dichotomy as Keen&#039;s, albeit from the other side of the argument.

For example, when Cory Doctorow &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/02/everything_is_miscel.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;describes your book&lt;/a&gt; as being about &quot;how the Web destroys categories, disciplines and hierarchies,&quot; it basically making the exact opposite of Keen&#039;s argument, and thereby asserting the same bogus dichotomy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I got about halfway through the video; then I&#8217;d had enough. You were good though!)</p>
<p>I think Keen&#8217;s dichotomy is pretty bogus, e.g., pairing the NYT best seller list vs a popular blog list ignores the deeper issue that both are products of cultures / communities / systems that are extremely limited and isolated compared with the whole of human expression.</p>
<p>A more fair comparison might be between the Grammy Awards and who&#8217;s popular on MySpace. But, that should just highlight how much both measures, if that&#8217;s all we had to choose from, would fail to represent the majority of the world&#8217;s great music.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is what&#8217;s really out there, and the web helps because there&#8217;s so much out there that physical / analog space and time gets in the way sometimes.</p>
<p>I do feel, however, that Keen&#8217;s ideas are a natural extension of web 2.0 zealotry. I mean, web 2.0 is, in some ways, represenative of a very small culture / community / system of people on the web who sometimes assert the same dichotomy as Keen&#8217;s, albeit from the other side of the argument.</p>
<p>For example, when Cory Doctorow <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2007/05/02/everything_is_miscel.html" rel="nofollow">describes your book</a> as being about &#8220;how the Web destroys categories, disciplines and hierarchies,&#8221; it basically making the exact opposite of Keen&#8217;s argument, and thereby asserting the same bogus dichotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2007/06/28/occult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-13778</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, thanks for posting the after-debate debate link.  It&#039;s invigorating to see this discussion continue, and it&#039;s intriguing to hear Keen defend his position.  He poses some serious, interesting points, but he does seem to oversimplify the situation.  As the other gentleman posing a question (didn&#039;t catch his name) pointed out, &quot;transition is difficult&quot; and we really do seem to be in a period of great transition.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for posting the after-debate debate link.  It&#8217;s invigorating to see this discussion continue, and it&#8217;s intriguing to hear Keen defend his position.  He poses some serious, interesting points, but he does seem to oversimplify the situation.  As the other gentleman posing a question (didn&#8217;t catch his name) pointed out, &#8220;transition is difficult&#8221; and we really do seem to be in a period of great transition.</p>
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