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By: davidw

davidw — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:07:15 +0000

Please insert “something like” into “someone with [INSERT HERE] Microsoft’s dominance.” And I promise that if Adobe forces us to install a NEW viewer to see info about a product unrelated to that viewer, I will write something snarky about Adobe. This is my pledge to you, Liz :)

By: Liz Lawley

Liz Lawley — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:08:10 +0000

“It still seems to me to be dumb marketing that only someone with Microsoft’s dominance would even consider.”

I guess it just feels unfair to me to give Adobe a pass on this because they’ve already achieved market dominance. :)

By: David Weinberger

David Weinberger — Wed, 07 May 2008 00:22:51 +0000

Liz., I don’t know why your comment with the url didn’t post. I don’t moderate comments, except for the spammy ones my WordPress settings stop, which should not have stopped yours. Sorry!

I didn’t say that _only_ Microsoft would do something like this. If Adobe had done the same thing — require the use of a _new_ Adobe viewer format to get info about another one of their products — I would have said the same thing. Similarly, if Microsoft required us to get info in Word format. I wouldn’t have whined because AFAIK just about every OS comes with a Word viewer installed.

By: Liz Lawley

Liz Lawley — Tue, 06 May 2008 19:32:45 +0000

(I got to that page by clicking FAQ on the page you initially linked to, and then selecting “Features” from the left sidebar. Since I have Silverlight installed, I have no idea if it would have worked without it.)

By: Liz Lawley

Liz Lawley — Tue, 06 May 2008 19:31:24 +0000

Here it is without the http prefix:

http://www.microsoft.com/expre.....?key=media

By: Liz Lawley

Liz Lawley — Tue, 06 May 2008 19:30:54 +0000

Hmmm. My last comment, which included a URL for the feature list you were looking for, doesn’t seem to have been posted.

By: Liz Lawley

Liz Lawley — Tue, 06 May 2008 18:47:12 +0000

But isn’t it *exactly* the same marketing that Adobe uses? You need Flash and/or Acrobat to look at most of their materials as well. I’m just trying to understand why you say that only Microsoft would even consider this.

By: davidw

davidw — Tue, 06 May 2008 18:37:56 +0000

Yes, those paragraphs do give me a better sense than the tag lines, etc. I hadn’t realized they were clickable. But, even so, I want to see a feature list, and I don’t want to download yet another Flash thingy to do so.

I do have Flash installed. And I view PDF docs. I don’t like having to use proprietary standards for this stuff, but the reality is that I do have to. I don’t want yet another one. But my point was that Microsoft’s insistence on this is working against its marketing of Expression. It still seems to me to be dumb marketing that only someone with Microsoft’s dominance would even consider.

By: Liz Lawley

Liz Lawley — Tue, 06 May 2008 17:41:53 +0000

The page you link to, for me, shows three bullets: find your stuff, work at warp speed, and sharing is everything. Clicking on any of the three gives me a paragraph explaining what the software does.

I’m not sure how what Microsoft is doing here is any different from what Adobe does with Flash (which has as many trademarks, I believe).

Are the terms of use on Silverlight significantly different than the terms of use on Flash? (I honestly don’t know, but it seems as though it’s worth comparing…unless you’re not running Flash either.)