Comments on: Kindle is fun but sucks for scholars

By: Kevin Currie-Knight

Kevin Currie-Knight — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:51:25 +0000

I also own a kindle and find it unfortunate for academic research. I generally cite the book as I normally would but specify [Kindle Edition] after the title and substitute a location number for a page number. This, of course, is meaninglesss to those who don’t have a kindle or have the book on their kindle. (My professors, fortunately, have accepted the citations in this format.)

I like davidw’s suggestion of having the page numbers invisibly stored, so that if one needs them, one can get them. And the sony ereader operates on page numbers and, I think, still allows one to adjust the font. So, it is certainly not impossible for an ereader to give page numbers even if they don’t have a 1-1 relationship with the screen.

I have contemplated getting a sony ereader for academic texts (as they do give page numbers) but really doubt it is worth the expense.

By: Paul Robinette

Paul Robinette — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:28:06 +0000

If I had known about the lack of reference for the book’s original pagination I would NOT have bought any Kindle. Boo. Having said that, I did find a very clumsy work-around for some books. I find the passage I want to cite and then go to Amazon and “look inside the book” in question to see the page number but does anyone want to buy back my Kindle at say fifteen percent off of original price? No, I didn’t think so.
Paul.Robinette.Jr@UND.nodak.edu

By: Jesse @ Kindle e reader

Jesse @ Kindle e reader — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:14:45 +0000

Good point about the page numbers, I was thinking the Kindle would be great for college and research. Maybe in the next version there will be a way to get the original page numbers of a hard copy book. Obviously my Kindle use is only recreational.

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By: davidw

davidw — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:53:31 +0000

JB, there is a way to preserve the original page numbers while not preserving the original pagination. If the version Kindle sucks in is paginated, it very likely contains page number info. If so, the Kindle import process could put invisible page number markers into the text stream. Of course they wouldn’t match up with the number of screens the book takes (which is dynamically computed anyway), but that’s the point: Give me a menu choice that will show the number of the nearest page number marker.

By: JB

JB — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:17:16 +0000

BTW, I hope — though I’m not particularly optimistic — that adoption of ebook technology FINALLY drives a stake in the heart of content vs. presentation confusion. PDFs on the kindle — particularly technical ones with lots of illustrations, charts and graphs, and equations or code examples — are virtually useless. And in the the general case it’s actually not even *possible* to make them work!

PDF as distribution format for pedagogical and research materials — considered harmful.

$0.02,

By: JB

JB — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:11:37 +0000

There’s no possibility of original page-number capture, as there’s no particular 1-1 mapping between the Kindle edition of something and a particular print edition. You’ve got to embrace the fact that page numbers are, in an ebook world, a throwback. Let’s come up with acceptable citation conventions for ebooks with their location system.

For the rest of it, right on. Frustrating. But a simple matter of programming, no?

;-)