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	<title>Comments on: [2b2k] Clay Shirky, info overload, and when filters increase the size of what&#8217;s filtered</title>
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		<title>By: A. J. Marr</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. J. Marr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If fault is to be found with Shirky, as well as almost all other internet pundits on information overload, it is in their premises, not their conclusions. Almost all hold the implicit assumption that humans are sensitive to information as static facts. However, if informed by the most recent findings from affective neuroscience on human decision making, this position cannot be true. 

Specifically, Shirky (and nearly all of his peers) hold to positions that are not neurally realistic, and would have to abandon much of their opinions (and specifically the reality of information overload) if they were informed by the recent findings in affective neuroscience on how human minds actually process and choose information. Surprisingly, this argument can be made quite simply, and is made (link below) using an allegory of the Boston Red Sox pennant run over the years.


http://mezmer.blogspot.com/2012/02/searching-for-red-stockings-myth-of.html


(Alas, my argument at three pages is a bit long for a comments section, but perhaps not as a link.)

A. J. Marr]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If fault is to be found with Shirky, as well as almost all other internet pundits on information overload, it is in their premises, not their conclusions. Almost all hold the implicit assumption that humans are sensitive to information as static facts. However, if informed by the most recent findings from affective neuroscience on human decision making, this position cannot be true. </p>
<p>Specifically, Shirky (and nearly all of his peers) hold to positions that are not neurally realistic, and would have to abandon much of their opinions (and specifically the reality of information overload) if they were informed by the recent findings in affective neuroscience on how human minds actually process and choose information. Surprisingly, this argument can be made quite simply, and is made (link below) using an allegory of the Boston Red Sox pennant run over the years.</p>
<p><a href="http://mezmer.blogspot.com/2012/02/searching-for-red-stockings-myth-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://mezmer.blogspot.com/2012/02/searching-for-red-stockings-myth-of.html</a></p>
<p>(Alas, my argument at three pages is a bit long for a comments section, but perhaps not as a link.)</p>
<p>A. J. Marr</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Zeldes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Zeldes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clay Shirky&#039;s keynote has many interesting points about how we consume information, but I disagree with the conclusion that &quot;It isn&#039;t information overload&quot;. It might be if the problem were defined as &quot;thereâ€™s too much for any one individual to know&quot; (although as soon as you have two humans with different needs, that too is iffy); but Clay neglects the problem of having too much info that one is EXPECTED to consume, which is at the root of email overload in organizations; this is not a filter issue but a work culture and management issue.

I add my bit to this discussion in a post at http://bit.ly/bDUDuB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay Shirky&#8217;s keynote has many interesting points about how we consume information, but I disagree with the conclusion that &#8220;It isn&#8217;t information overload&#8221;. It might be if the problem were defined as &#8220;thereâ€™s too much for any one individual to know&#8221; (although as soon as you have two humans with different needs, that too is iffy); but Clay neglects the problem of having too much info that one is EXPECTED to consume, which is at the root of email overload in organizations; this is not a filter issue but a work culture and management issue.</p>
<p>I add my bit to this discussion in a post at <a href="http://bit.ly/bDUDuB" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bDUDuB</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Digest #23 : ::: Think Macro :::</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digest #23 : ::: Think Macro :::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Clay Shirky, info overload, and when filters increase the size of whatâ€™s filtered&#8221; &#8211; David Weinberger from the Berkman Center shares some thoughts about information overload and the changing meaning of filters in this reality. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Clay Shirky, info overload, and when filters increase the size of whatâ€™s filtered&#8221; &#8211; David Weinberger from the Berkman Center shares some thoughts about information overload and the changing meaning of filters in this reality. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blog post on information overload &#171; I Never Metadata I Didn&#8217;t Like</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/01/31/2b2k-clay-shirky-info-overload-and-when-filters-increase-the-size-of-whats-filtered/comment-page-1/#comment-52340</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog post on information overload &#171; I Never Metadata I Didn&#8217;t Like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] takes as his starting point a talk by Web folksonomy Â guru Clay Shirky about information overload. Here it is. The blog has links to a Columbia Journalism Review interview with Shirky. (BTW, library science and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] takes as his starting point a talk by Web folksonomy Â guru Clay Shirky about information overload. Here it is. The blog has links to a Columbia Journalism Review interview with Shirky. (BTW, library science and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Benett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Benett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The classic example of a filter that swings both ways is the active tone control, which allows information to be selectively attentuated or amplified. A series of such controls covering the audio spectrum constitutes a graphic equalizer -- one of those widgets with the slide bars that lets you pump the bass while chillin&#039; the cymbals. 

Does the analogy scale in interesting ways to knowledge management? We might speak of cutting or boosting signals in any of a range of information domains (cf. frequencies, in an audio equalizer), in an attempt to tailor overwhelming input to our room-sized brains. 

But EQ is a messy art. I&#039;m not quite ready to let go of Toffler&#039;s overload-as-illness metaphor. Set that treble too high, and suffer squeal of feedback. Half the Web makes me want to run screaming from the room.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classic example of a filter that swings both ways is the active tone control, which allows information to be selectively attentuated or amplified. A series of such controls covering the audio spectrum constitutes a graphic equalizer &#8212; one of those widgets with the slide bars that lets you pump the bass while chillin&#8217; the cymbals. </p>
<p>Does the analogy scale in interesting ways to knowledge management? We might speak of cutting or boosting signals in any of a range of information domains (cf. frequencies, in an audio equalizer), in an attempt to tailor overwhelming input to our room-sized brains. </p>
<p>But EQ is a messy art. I&#8217;m not quite ready to let go of Toffler&#8217;s overload-as-illness metaphor. Set that treble too high, and suffer squeal of feedback. Half the Web makes me want to run screaming from the room.</p>
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		<title>By: How Networked Information Changes the Filter Metaphor for Journals &#171; The Scholarly Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/01/31/2b2k-clay-shirky-info-overload-and-when-filters-increase-the-size-of-whats-filtered/comment-page-1/#comment-52220</link>
		<dc:creator>How Networked Information Changes the Filter Metaphor for Journals &#171; The Scholarly Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] an interesting post by David Weinberger on Joho the Blog, Clay Shirky&#8217;s idea that &#8220;[i]t&#8217;s not information overload, it&#8217;s filter [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an interesting post by David Weinberger on Joho the Blog, Clay Shirky&#8217;s idea that &#8220;[i]t&#8217;s not information overload, it&#8217;s filter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mirek Sopek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirek Sopek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the context of filters I always think about two types of filters that in fact ADD rather than remove: folksonomies - with Delicious as an example, and Reuters&#039; Calais.  

The former adds &quot;atoms&quot; of knowledge - the atoms being simple words people add without any constrains. They work by invoking certain connotations that happened to be common. These connotations are these additional concepts - so we &quot;filter&quot; the web using them, by adding them !

The later projects the information contained in the pages onto semantic web blocks - RDFs and ontologies - which in fact are a bit more formal expressions of named objects, facts, event and concepts.

In both cases, we get less overload, by adding a bit more - a filter put upside down :-)

Delicious and others - already proved to be extremely useful. For Calais, Hakia and similar - we still await their large scale success....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the context of filters I always think about two types of filters that in fact ADD rather than remove: folksonomies &#8211; with Delicious as an example, and Reuters&#8217; Calais.  </p>
<p>The former adds &#8220;atoms&#8221; of knowledge &#8211; the atoms being simple words people add without any constrains. They work by invoking certain connotations that happened to be common. These connotations are these additional concepts &#8211; so we &#8220;filter&#8221; the web using them, by adding them !</p>
<p>The later projects the information contained in the pages onto semantic web blocks &#8211; RDFs and ontologies &#8211; which in fact are a bit more formal expressions of named objects, facts, event and concepts.</p>
<p>In both cases, we get less overload, by adding a bit more &#8211; a filter put upside down :-)</p>
<p>Delicious and others &#8211; already proved to be extremely useful. For Calais, Hakia and similar &#8211; we still await their large scale success&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Golis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2010-02-01</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/01/31/2b2k-clay-shirky-info-overload-and-when-filters-increase-the-size-of-whats-filtered/comment-page-1/#comment-52202</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Golis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2010-02-01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Joho the Blog Â» [2b2k] Clay Shirky, info overload, and when filters increase the size of whatâ€™s f... This is a great post on curation. (tags: filtering new.media hyperlinks class clay.shirky) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joho the Blog Â» [2b2k] Clay Shirky, info overload, and when filters increase the size of whatâ€™s f&#8230; This is a great post on curation. (tags: filtering new.media hyperlinks class clay.shirky) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Filters lead us to wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filters lead us to wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] aslakr [2b2k] Clay Shirky, info overload, and when filters increase the size of what&#8217;s filtered [Via Joho the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Stray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Stray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The filters have become part of the text.

As a journalist, I look at filter design as an editorial process.

  - Jonathan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The filters have become part of the text.</p>
<p>As a journalist, I look at filter design as an editorial process.</p>
<p>  &#8211; Jonathan</p>
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