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	<title>Comments on: FCC Fail â€” Providing incentives for scarcity</title>
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	<description>Let's just see what happens</description>
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		<title>By: TechJock</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/12/21/fcc-fail-%e2%80%94-making-scarcity-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-67029</link>
		<dc:creator>TechJock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I summed up a lot of what you said here, just in layman&#039;s terms on my net neutrality post (http://nerdnewsforjocks.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-f-is-net-neutrality.html)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I summed up a lot of what you said here, just in layman&#8217;s terms on my net neutrality post (<a href="http://nerdnewsforjocks.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-f-is-net-neutrality.html" rel="nofollow">http://nerdnewsforjocks.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-f-is-net-neutrality.html</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/12/21/fcc-fail-%e2%80%94-making-scarcity-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-66325</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 02:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny how you quote a screed about &quot;takings&quot; by a regulatory agency that wants to perform them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how you quote a screed about &#8220;takings&#8221; by a regulatory agency that wants to perform them.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/12/21/fcc-fail-%e2%80%94-making-scarcity-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-66097</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Double sigh. From the FCC:

                  2.     Fifth Amendment Takings
         149.     Contrary to the claims of some broadband providers,471 open Internet rules pose
no issue under the Fifth Amendment&#039;s Takings Clause. Our rules do not compel new services or
limit broadband providers&#039; flexibility in setting prices for their broadband Internet access
services, but simply require transparency and prevent broadband providers--when they
voluntarily carry Internet traffic--from blocking or unreasonably discriminating in their treatment
of that traffic. Moreover, this Order involves setting policies for communications networks, an
activity that has been one of this Commission&#039;s central duties since it was established in 1934.
         150.     Absent compelled permanent physical occupations of property,472 takings
analysis involves &quot;essentially ad hoc, factual inquiries&quot; regarding such factors as the degree of
interference with &quot;investment-backed expectations,&quot; the &quot;economic impact of the regulation&quot; and
&quot;the character of the government action.&quot;473 In this regard, takings law makes clear that property
owners cannot, as a general matter, expect that existing legal requirements regarding their
property will remain entirely unchanged.474 As discussed in Part II, the history of broadband
Internet access services offers no basis for reasonable reliance on a policy regime in which
providers are free to conceal or discriminate without limit, and the rules we adopt today should
not impose substantial new costs on broadband providers.475 Accordingly, our Order does not
raise constitutional concerns under regulatory takings analysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double sigh. From the FCC:</p>
<p>                  2.     Fifth Amendment Takings<br />
         149.     Contrary to the claims of some broadband providers,471 open Internet rules pose<br />
no issue under the Fifth Amendment&#8217;s Takings Clause. Our rules do not compel new services or<br />
limit broadband providers&#8217; flexibility in setting prices for their broadband Internet access<br />
services, but simply require transparency and prevent broadband providers&#8211;when they<br />
voluntarily carry Internet traffic&#8211;from blocking or unreasonably discriminating in their treatment<br />
of that traffic. Moreover, this Order involves setting policies for communications networks, an<br />
activity that has been one of this Commission&#8217;s central duties since it was established in 1934.<br />
         150.     Absent compelled permanent physical occupations of property,472 takings<br />
analysis involves &#8220;essentially ad hoc, factual inquiries&#8221; regarding such factors as the degree of<br />
interference with &#8220;investment-backed expectations,&#8221; the &#8220;economic impact of the regulation&#8221; and<br />
&#8220;the character of the government action.&#8221;473 In this regard, takings law makes clear that property<br />
owners cannot, as a general matter, expect that existing legal requirements regarding their<br />
property will remain entirely unchanged.474 As discussed in Part II, the history of broadband<br />
Internet access services offers no basis for reasonable reliance on a policy regime in which<br />
providers are free to conceal or discriminate without limit, and the rules we adopt today should<br />
not impose substantial new costs on broadband providers.475 Accordingly, our Order does not<br />
raise constitutional concerns under regulatory takings analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/12/21/fcc-fail-%e2%80%94-making-scarcity-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-66096</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oft-repeated or not, Seth, that point is 100% valid and tested in court. Sorry if you do not like the fact that I own my network. You have no right to take it from me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oft-repeated or not, Seth, that point is 100% valid and tested in court. Sorry if you do not like the fact that I own my network. You have no right to take it from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sigh. Brett, that whole line of argument has been flogged to death. Do you think Comcast&#039;s and Verizon&#039;s lawyers never heard about it?

[Note to David again - imagine going through this with half a dozen posters all flaming you personally, instead of the current context of high-level support / social reward for statements like &quot;our Internet, for it is ours, not theirs&quot;.].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. Brett, that whole line of argument has been flogged to death. Do you think Comcast&#8217;s and Verizon&#8217;s lawyers never heard about it?</p>
<p>[Note to David again - imagine going through this with half a dozen posters all flaming you personally, instead of the current context of high-level support / social reward for statements like "our Internet, for it is ours, not theirs".].</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congress does not have blanket power to regulate business. The first, fourth, and fifth amendments limit those powers. Congress cannot pass a law that constitutes a regulatory taking of my network.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress does not have blanket power to regulate business. The first, fourth, and fifth amendments limit those powers. Congress cannot pass a law that constitutes a regulatory taking of my network.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brett, you didn&#039;t answer the question - repeat:  &quot;Do you disagree with the following statement: Under US Constitutional law (even pre-New Deal understanding) the government has the right to regulate companies such as Comcast or Verizon, as they are unquestionably engaged in interstate commerce.&quot;

To be tedious - under US law, the Federal government may regulate private businesses, with everything from hiring decisions to safety standards to &lt;em&gt;product requirements&lt;/em&gt;, if those businesses are within the interstate commerce power. This is not a controversial statement outside of net.libertarian ideology.

Whether the FCC, an agency, has the authority delegated to it by Congress, or the regulation would have to come from Congress itself, is a complicated legal matter, and not germane to the question above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, you didn&#8217;t answer the question &#8211; repeat:  &#8220;Do you disagree with the following statement: Under US Constitutional law (even pre-New Deal understanding) the government has the right to regulate companies such as Comcast or Verizon, as they are unquestionably engaged in interstate commerce.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be tedious &#8211; under US law, the Federal government may regulate private businesses, with everything from hiring decisions to safety standards to <em>product requirements</em>, if those businesses are within the interstate commerce power. This is not a controversial statement outside of net.libertarian ideology.</p>
<p>Whether the FCC, an agency, has the authority delegated to it by Congress, or the regulation would have to come from Congress itself, is a complicated legal matter, and not germane to the question above.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/12/21/fcc-fail-%e2%80%94-making-scarcity-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-66042</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only difference between my network and Comcast&#039;s or Verizon&#039;s is size. They are run pretty much the same way (though I daresay mine is run a bit better). It is not legal for the FCC to regulate ANY ISP of ANY size.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only difference between my network and Comcast&#8217;s or Verizon&#8217;s is size. They are run pretty much the same way (though I daresay mine is run a bit better). It is not legal for the FCC to regulate ANY ISP of ANY size.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 05:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brett, do you disagree with the following statement: Under US Constitutional law (even pre-New Deal understanding) the government has the right to regulate companies such as Comcast or Verizon, as they are unquestionably engaged in interstate commerce.

Agree or Disagree?

Note what I didn&#039;t say there - &quot;your home network&quot;. Even &quot;your small-business WISP&quot;. I said &quot;companies such as Comcast or Verizon&quot;.

[Note to David, if still reading the thread - see my point? The difference between then and now, is that there wouldn&#039;t have been the amazing amount of support for the ISP regulation side, plus social status for bashing it. That&#039;s all not fashion trends.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, do you disagree with the following statement: Under US Constitutional law (even pre-New Deal understanding) the government has the right to regulate companies such as Comcast or Verizon, as they are unquestionably engaged in interstate commerce.</p>
<p>Agree or Disagree?</p>
<p>Note what I didn&#8217;t say there &#8211; &#8220;your home network&#8221;. Even &#8220;your small-business WISP&#8221;. I said &#8220;companies such as Comcast or Verizon&#8221;.</p>
<p>[Note to David, if still reading the thread - see my point? The difference between then and now, is that there wouldn't have been the amazing amount of support for the ISP regulation side, plus social status for bashing it. That's all not fashion trends.]</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2010/12/21/fcc-fail-%e2%80%94-making-scarcity-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-66019</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seth, if that logic were to hold water, then the government could claim that because your home network is part of the Internet (which it is when it attaches to it), government has the right to control your home network, tax it, or even burst into your home and commandeer it.

The FCC&#039;s arguments that it can regulate the Internet are about as sensible as that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, if that logic were to hold water, then the government could claim that because your home network is part of the Internet (which it is when it attaches to it), government has the right to control your home network, tax it, or even burst into your home and commandeer it.</p>
<p>The FCC&#8217;s arguments that it can regulate the Internet are about as sensible as that.</p>
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