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	<title>Comments on: Joho: Culture is an echo chamber</title>
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	<description>Let's just see what happens</description>
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		<title>By: davidw</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2012/02/21/joho-culture-is-an-echo-chamber/comment-page-1/#comment-72940</link>
		<dc:creator>davidw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Mirek. My attitude has been similarly ambiguous. I do like the schema.org/microformats approach because it&#039;s more modest and incremental. It&#039;s the attempt to get everything right that concerns me. 

The comparison to SGML is entirely apt. It is in fact my involvement in some SGML efforts in the late 80&#039;s and early 90&#039;s that set many of my biases/prejudices about attempts to  drive conformity to complex standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mirek. My attitude has been similarly ambiguous. I do like the schema.org/microformats approach because it&#8217;s more modest and incremental. It&#8217;s the attempt to get everything right that concerns me. </p>
<p>The comparison to SGML is entirely apt. It is in fact my involvement in some SGML efforts in the late 80&#8242;s and early 90&#8242;s that set many of my biases/prejudices about attempts to  drive conformity to complex standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirek Sopek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirek Sopek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I meant ingenious not ingenuous !
but maybe it was also a good way of praising SW :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant ingenious not ingenuous !<br />
but maybe it was also a good way of praising SW :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mirek Sopek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirek Sopek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being on a business trip to Paris, I could not consume all of new posts to your zine but one - &quot;In love with linked data&quot;.

That&#039;s great and simple explanation what LD (and LOD) initiative is all about. Thanks !

For years I witnessed your delicate &quot;opposition&quot; to the SW as it was initially proposed. I agreed with some thoughts (mainly from EiM book), disagreed with some other.
And I always have been confronting my own admiration of SW with Cory Doctorow&#039;s &quot;meta-crap&quot; manifesto (even recently during a meeting with Yahoo/Google key panel in Berlin I did so, this time &quot;against&quot; schema.org)

I think SW is great and the reason that LD is so beautiful is because it uses those ingenuous SW inventions (URI, semantic links etc). But I also think we need to confront it,
we need to be its advocatus diaboli - just to make it better, or to understand it better...

LD is light is simple, is to grand SW like XML (and maybe HTML) to its grand-parent SGML...

And is for us, not for these morons &quot;machines&quot; :-)

I like it and promote it too... (e.g. : &lt;a href=&quot;http://sopekmir.blogspot.com/2011/12/semantic-web-is-not-for-machines-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)

Thanks David !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being on a business trip to Paris, I could not consume all of new posts to your zine but one &#8211; &#8220;In love with linked data&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s great and simple explanation what LD (and LOD) initiative is all about. Thanks !</p>
<p>For years I witnessed your delicate &#8220;opposition&#8221; to the SW as it was initially proposed. I agreed with some thoughts (mainly from EiM book), disagreed with some other.<br />
And I always have been confronting my own admiration of SW with Cory Doctorow&#8217;s &#8220;meta-crap&#8221; manifesto (even recently during a meeting with Yahoo/Google key panel in Berlin I did so, this time &#8220;against&#8221; schema.org)</p>
<p>I think SW is great and the reason that LD is so beautiful is because it uses those ingenuous SW inventions (URI, semantic links etc). But I also think we need to confront it,<br />
we need to be its advocatus diaboli &#8211; just to make it better, or to understand it better&#8230;</p>
<p>LD is light is simple, is to grand SW like XML (and maybe HTML) to its grand-parent SGML&#8230;</p>
<p>And is for us, not for these morons &#8220;machines&#8221; :-)</p>
<p>I like it and promote it too&#8230; (e.g. : <a href="http://sopekmir.blogspot.com/2011/12/semantic-web-is-not-for-machines-to.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>)</p>
<p>Thanks David !</p>
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