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	<title>Comments on: Some ways Jews are different from Christians</title>
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		<title>By: davidw</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2012/12/25/some-ways-jews-are-different-from-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-75751</link>
		<dc:creator>davidw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Joe. And I can perhaps be plainer about Dawkins and Hitchins: They&#039;re bigots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Joe. And I can perhaps be plainer about Dawkins and Hitchins: They&#8217;re bigots.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pairman</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2012/12/25/some-ways-jews-are-different-from-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-75742</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Pairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, thanks for an enjoyable discussion and for taking the time to add that clarification. I see that you hadn&#039;t meant to imply that Christianity wasn&#039;t complex. As for the point that Judaism is more *comfortable* with complexity and ambiguity, from my limited knowledge of Judaism that does indeed appear to be so. While Christianity is complex, there seems to be more of a struggle associated with that — an idea that faith should be a simple state of being, but to achieve faith and to reconcile it with a true engagement with modern ways of thinking is not always a simple or comfortable thing. (A book I&#039;d strongly recommend to anyone interested in this is Newman&#039;s Grammar of Assent. Although written 140 years ago, I think it&#039;s still a very valid discussion of Christian faith and rationality.)

As for Richard Dawkins and the modern anti-religion movement, it&#039;s clear to me now that you hadn&#039;t meant that their arguments were any more valid against Christianity, but that those arguments center around faith, which is something less central to Judaism than it is to Christianity. It&#039;s very gratifying to read your comments on these ill-founded arguments, anyway. As I mentioned in my email, Dawkins and his followers don&#039;t seem aware that all their points against religion have been considered sincerely and deeply by religious practitioners throughout history. (Or that their idea of religion not only misses the mark for the majority of theists, but also ignores the non-theistic religions of the world!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for an enjoyable discussion and for taking the time to add that clarification. I see that you hadn&#8217;t meant to imply that Christianity wasn&#8217;t complex. As for the point that Judaism is more *comfortable* with complexity and ambiguity, from my limited knowledge of Judaism that does indeed appear to be so. While Christianity is complex, there seems to be more of a struggle associated with that — an idea that faith should be a simple state of being, but to achieve faith and to reconcile it with a true engagement with modern ways of thinking is not always a simple or comfortable thing. (A book I&#8217;d strongly recommend to anyone interested in this is Newman&#8217;s Grammar of Assent. Although written 140 years ago, I think it&#8217;s still a very valid discussion of Christian faith and rationality.)</p>
<p>As for Richard Dawkins and the modern anti-religion movement, it&#8217;s clear to me now that you hadn&#8217;t meant that their arguments were any more valid against Christianity, but that those arguments center around faith, which is something less central to Judaism than it is to Christianity. It&#8217;s very gratifying to read your comments on these ill-founded arguments, anyway. As I mentioned in my email, Dawkins and his followers don&#8217;t seem aware that all their points against religion have been considered sincerely and deeply by religious practitioners throughout history. (Or that their idea of religion not only misses the mark for the majority of theists, but also ignores the non-theistic religions of the world!)</p>
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		<title>By: davidw</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2012/12/25/some-ways-jews-are-different-from-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-75725</link>
		<dc:creator>davidw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Based on AKMA&#039;s comments and email from Joe Pairman, I&#039;m adding a coda to clarify my comments about Hitchins and Dawkins and about Jewish complexity. Thanks, fellas!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on AKMA&#8217;s comments and email from Joe Pairman, I&#8217;m adding a coda to clarify my comments about Hitchins and Dawkins and about Jewish complexity. Thanks, fellas!</p>
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		<title>By: Some ways Jews are different from Christians &#124; Learning Strategies</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2012/12/25/some-ways-jews-are-different-from-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-75708</link>
		<dc:creator>Some ways Jews are different from Christians &#124; Learning Strategies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Weinberger wrote a fascinating post yesterday in Joho The Blog: “Some ways Jews are different from Christians.” It’s worth [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Weinberger wrote a fascinating post yesterday in Joho The Blog: “Some ways Jews are different from Christians.” It’s worth [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Francesca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would expect a rabbi would have some things to say when a goy wants to convert. First would be something like &quot;are you maschuga?&quot;. Second would be &quot; we can start with a briss!&quot; Oy vey!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would expect a rabbi would have some things to say when a goy wants to convert. First would be something like &#8220;are you maschuga?&#8221;. Second would be &#8221; we can start with a briss!&#8221; Oy vey!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You can’t convert to Italian.&quot;

Not even if I learn the language, go to live in Italy and become an Italian citizen?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t convert to Italian.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not even if I learn the language, go to live in Italy and become an Italian citizen?</p>
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		<title>By: chris heinz</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2012/12/25/some-ways-jews-are-different-from-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-75616</link>
		<dc:creator>chris heinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Don&#039;t do unto others as you wouldn&#039;t have them do unto you.&quot; I have heard called The Silver Rule -- weaker but probably a lot more realistic than The Golden Rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t do unto others as you wouldn&#8217;t have them do unto you.&#8221; I have heard called The Silver Rule &#8212; weaker but probably a lot more realistic than The Golden Rule.</p>
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		<title>By: davidw</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Akma, thank you for your patience. As always.

Francesca, the two religions are incommensurable in their criteria (or so it seems to me), so I don&#039;t know that there&#039;s an answer external to them that has any particular power. Personally, I tend to accept people&#039;s explicit self-definitions.

Hanan, I understand your cringing at my attempt to point to some generalized differences, and I share your cringing at the behavior of some Jewish religious extremists. But: if one thinks there are differences between two religions, then it&#039;s worth trying to get at those differences, isn&#039;t it? This is different from attempting to define Judaism once and for all, which even I don&#039;t have the chutzpah to do. And it seems to me that the differences I&#039;ve pointed to, as generalizations, hold generally to be true. The one that most likely sticks in your craw (given the shameful example you point to) is my use of the term &quot;fundamentalism.&quot; I&#039;m using it in a specific, and I think accurate, sense that has nothing to do with the ferocity and intolerance of one&#039;s belief, but rather whether one thinks that beliefs can spring from a &lt;em&gt;literal&lt;/em&gt; reading of a text.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akma, thank you for your patience. As always.</p>
<p>Francesca, the two religions are incommensurable in their criteria (or so it seems to me), so I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s an answer external to them that has any particular power. Personally, I tend to accept people&#8217;s explicit self-definitions.</p>
<p>Hanan, I understand your cringing at my attempt to point to some generalized differences, and I share your cringing at the behavior of some Jewish religious extremists. But: if one thinks there are differences between two religions, then it&#8217;s worth trying to get at those differences, isn&#8217;t it? This is different from attempting to define Judaism once and for all, which even I don&#8217;t have the chutzpah to do. And it seems to me that the differences I&#8217;ve pointed to, as generalizations, hold generally to be true. The one that most likely sticks in your craw (given the shameful example you point to) is my use of the term &#8220;fundamentalism.&#8221; I&#8217;m using it in a specific, and I think accurate, sense that has nothing to do with the ferocity and intolerance of one&#8217;s belief, but rather whether one thinks that beliefs can spring from a <em>literal</em> reading of a text.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesca</title>
		<link>http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2012/12/25/some-ways-jews-are-different-from-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-75612</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 10:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your first point implies that it is possible to be both Jewish and Christian. What is your view on that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first point implies that it is possible to be both Jewish and Christian. What is your view on that?</p>
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