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April 24, 2003
The Semantic Web, Ben says entertainingly, isn't going to happen because the Web is too messy. So what does already have the data that's required? A mailing list. Tons of metadata already there. With threadsML (yeah!) you can capture threads. It's "RSS 1.0 with extra toys." It includes some Dublin Core metadata (metadata standard for documents). "Mod threading" lets you point to things that are children of the object. This addresses the obsolescence of conversations. The killer problem is: Subjects (topics). Why? Because subject lines are often not related to the topic. A solution is to adopt one of the topic hierarchies, e.g., Yahoo or Dmoz. But they're culturally relative and brittle. An alternative is to create your own hierarchical ontology. E.g., Easy News Topics for RSS 2.0 (RSS 2.0 is RSS without the RDF components.) ENT was created by Matt Mower and Paolo Valdemarin. ENT points to a topic map and lets you specify a topic within the message. Matt and Paolo have today released an aggregator that reads the ENT topics. But Ben's not sure how it's going to work because even simple threads get long lists of topics. What do you do about the proliferation of classification systems? When someone links A to B, the software can look up the topics that B declares, and it can assume that that's a vote for saying that the topic of A is similar to the topic of B. [Interesting. This would work across languages.] Marc Canter, who helped revive interest in threadsML, asks what are the benefits of having this sort of thing. Audience suggestions: - Move threads from email to discussion boards to wiki, etc. - Do it on one computer, moving between email systems, etc. - Query it - Handle not just text - Link threads so the "backstory" is available - Use email interface to read blogs, wikis, mailing list archives - Connect reviews (Disclosure: I've been involved with threadsML since the beginning, so I'm pretty stoked about this session. In fact, do a whois on threadsml.com... :) Posted
by D. Weinberger at April 24, 2003 05:22 PM
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Comments
Sounds intriguing. I think it could work but I'd love to see some specs on this threadsml thing. Got a url?
Posted by: GilbertZ | April 24, 2003 06:14 PM
There's a branch of the discussion thread here.
Posted by: dweinberger | April 24, 2003 07:15 PM
moving threads to web pages would be useful in so many ways in allowing conversations to flow. they are often easier to birth on a mailing list and partway through would be better served moving them to a blog or wiki and are easier to both track and characterize there.
oh and use a real registrar next time ;-)
Posted by: elliot noss | April 24, 2003 11:14 PM
Thank you sir - great time - great seeing you:
Here's my post on the session.
Posted by: Marc Canter | April 27, 2003 05:04 AM
I would also like to see some specs to include them on my website? any url?
Posted by: krishna | July 16, 2003 04:57 AM
Interesting
Posted by: Mark | October 13, 2003 01:38 AM
Yeah, well, everyone seems to be banning your IP so I guess I'll do it too, asshole.
Posted by: dweinberger | October 23, 2003 10:39 AM
What is this all about?
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The internet is an awesome invention!!!!
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