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I think the traditional Upanishadic idea of the sheaths of the body (the five koshas, first described in the Taittiriya Upanishad) is useful to consult.

But, simply, do we *feel* in our physical bodies, or are our physical bodies inside our feeling?

The five sheaths concept is that the physical body is contained within four successively more subtle bodies.

The body that immediately contains the physical body is the feeling-energy body. I think, however one might relate to the five sheath concept, one can sense that their feeling extends beyond the physical body--we feel other people, etc.

On the phone, on the Internet, etc., we extend our feelings to others and feel others, even over long distances. Similarly, in works of art, we embed our feelings in our *voice*, and can feel an other's *voice*.

I think our web bodies are just more associated with these feeling bodies and less associated with our physical ones. Not disembodied, but a more subtle body that includes within it the physical.

Howdy Dave.

I think your thoughts on voice are great and perfectly in line with what I think Trevor is trying to get at. Of course, I may completely misunderstand Trevor, but that would not be the first time.

At any rate, voice, body and (I'd add) imagination are inseperable. You cannot have one without the other. By bringing our consciousness online, by bringing our voice online we do engage the body. It is more than the simple use od digits to type. It is the engagement of self that you get at that is the body.

And,like you suggest, this does stretch the idea of body a bit, well, a lot. But isn't this the point of "small pieces loosely joined?" There is a joining that produces some kind of singularity or a shared body. SIngularity is probably the wrong word.

Now a way for Christians (sorry if that is a frightening word for some) to engage with what you say is also from the context of "Word." You may be familiar with "In the begining was the Word"...yada yada yada. Without taking up too much space, for us the Word is preached, sung, read, is Christ and is the Body of Christ through the gathering of community. It is much more complicated and I am sure AKMA and Trevor would have more to say, but when you say "voice" I feel free to hear "word" when I translate what you are getting at into my faith perspective.

This takes imagination. This is the engagement of the self that is most important to me. Through our imaginations we enter into this two-dimensional space. We craft blogs to reflect our bodies. We engage in a variety of activities, seemly and un, that rely entirely upon our imaginations to exist at all. To imagine is an action. It engages neurons in a way that is as "active" as having sex, feeling pain and dying. I think that this would be an interesting jumping off point when we talk about embodiment on the web.

The word I kept thinking of was "incarnation." David is pointing to the paradox that our atoms, our bodies, are NOT our selves unless we are inhabiting them; and yet somehow we are also not fully our selves unless we are localized, embodied, biased, incarnated. I am defined by the needs and wants of my physical body, but also by the embodiment/ specificity of my allegiance to particular communities, geographic regions, ways of being. The flavor, the realness, that comes out through weblogs, through the use of authentic voice-- it's mysteriously alive and unquantifiable. It is different from stereotypes, maybe the opposite; that is, on the Internet it matters immensely that I live in a female body, but maybe not for the reasons you'd think. I doubt you could find a quality that is shared by all female-written weblogs and no male-written ones. But I doubt you could find a weblog that's not informed in some way by the bio-gender (however complexly defined) of its author. That's just one example.
Bodies can't be ignored. They're so important, they form how we experience the world. But they're not the whole story, and life on the Web makes that clear as well. We can't hold on to the story that we're only physical, that our connections and loves and ambitions and curiosities are only about the body. But we can't cut loose of embodiment and stay ourselves. It comes back around.
Incarnation.
The specifically Christian use of the word is to say that !!God!! became incarnate once, rather spectacularly, in a human body. As a Christian, I have to say that what's powerful about that suggestion is precisely that it's nothing the rest of us don't do every day. Becoming incarnate in a human body. It's tough work. Gives me new respect for a God who is supposed to have done it.
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