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February 05, 2004

Orkut Follies

Michael O'Connor Clarke is writing funnily (here and here) about the foibles of Orkut.

His Monopoly card reminds me of a fake screen capture I used when talking about Artificial Social Networks (ASN) such as Orkut.

Mock Friendster relationship choices
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Just in case it's not obvious, the point is that you can't get over ASNs' inherent binary nature by adding more binary choices. That is, the problem isn't just that the choices are too precise; the problem is also that the choices are necessarily explicit. Social relationships depend on being implicit, hidden, dark and unspoken.

Posted by D. Weinberger at February 5, 2004 09:34 AM


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Orkut Orkut Orkut! The Jan Brady of Friendsteroid BBSes. You'd think that the eponymous Finn had promised us the Finnegan's Wake of social networking sites. All you can really say about it is that the front end of it is completely unremarkable, sort of Nerve Personals meets Ryze. The invitation-only for the test caused some grumbles. But what the heck, there are other good parties to go to in the neighborhood, many of them with more girls ;-) As for me, it helped me find my old college buddy Barry, so I'd have to say the price ($0) was right.

Posted by: colin | February 5, 2004 05:49 PM


I agree that social friendships involve certain "unspoken" compatability, but social relationships can be based on something as simple as a zip code, an interest in african art or, a desire for a significant other. Isn't that what orkut, friendster, etc. are trying to accomplish? These networks are brilliant - they provide a free way to join and keep up with communities that are taylored to a particular interest. Can't get over the binary descriptors? Then skip the question. If you're expecting orkut to be more than a facilitator for personal, interest-based interaction, then you'll certainly be very disappointed -- orkut can't do all the work!

My reccommendation? Get over the inherant impersonal nature of the internet and go to the pub with some friends. :-)

Posted by: monica | February 5, 2004 08:46 PM


"the problem isn't just that the choices are too precise; the problem is also that the choices are necessarily explicit. Social relationships depend on being implicit, hidden, dark and unspoken."

And, of course, difficult to index.

Posted by: Jon Lebkowsky | February 6, 2004 05:27 PM


I'd love to try Google's new ORKUT! Can someone send me an invite! I'll write you a good testimonial. hurls103 at hotmail.com

Posted by: Bry | May 18, 2004 05:58 PM


I would LOVE to have an Orkut account! Can someone send an invitation to my email address? My name is Bryan Hurley, and I'm a college student majoring in CS.
hurls103@hotmail.com

Posted by: Bryan | June 16, 2004 08:44 PM


Interesting take on the fact that the very act of making a choice forces a binary view of relationships while there are many many more levels and hues to social interactions.

One more thing with networking sites like Orkut is that its not just about forcing one to make a choice as to where an existing relationship stands, but that it serves as a signaling mechanism - I may not be your friend but I would like to be - hence not just represent what exists but force something new (maybe rectify "I thought you were a friend until once at a party ..." situations :)

Posted by: Ravi | July 19, 2004 07:48 AM


can someone please send me an orkut invitation.i would really like 2 become a member!

Posted by: faizan | January 29, 2006 06:39 AM


what is that? please send me invitation of orkut

Posted by: teena sharma | August 8, 2006 12:48 AM


Please send me a orkut invitation.

Thanks, greetings.

Posted by: Maxsnd17 | August 19, 2006 09:53 PM


me llamo luis y soy todo lo q a ustedes le gustaria llegar a tener como novio jejejeje

Posted by: luis | December 27, 2006 06:31 AM


hi can u send me invitation

Posted by: keerthi | May 15, 2007 11:59 AM


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