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We are at war in Iraq. A brutal bloody war. I can not believe that NBC
reported misconduct by the Marines in Fallujah. A marine shot an insurgent
at point blank range. He should be given a medal but instead we have allowed
the liberal media to be there and blame him instead of congratulating him.
Your reporting makes me sick. NBC is no different than CBS and Dan Rather.
You Spineless Liberals are ruining this country. You Bastards might as well
report for aljazeera and the Arab networks.

PS: I know, you people think Arafat was a great man too!
PSS: The Marines should have shot that gutless reporter of yours too!! NO
KIDDING!!!

The Marines should have shot that goat-tee mother fucker Kevin Sites. The armed forces should have known this guy from CNN and shot him too.

Dallon

Fuck Kevin Sites!!

ah! you guys are really average americans: dumb, narrowminded innocents! ;0)

Mmmm. I'm sure D Pease would say that if Al jazeera showed an insurgent blowing out a wounded marine's brains. Hey Pease - you guys are in there to "bring democracy" (which you have only had for 40 years - by the way!) and "route out terror". Thats the reason YOU are their RIGHT? Job well done mate!

Imagine the "poor inocent unarmed terrorist", a week later, with Kevin S. in his, un-unarmed gun sight. Now imagine the same U.S. Marine that K.S. tried to burn as the only thing between the K.S. and a bullet.
NBC you and your people are sad!

Kevin Sites, next time you and the Marines are taking a Building, I hope the enemy points his gun at you and the Marines think twice IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO SHOOT THE ENEMY or SHOULD THEY WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE ENEMY IS GOING TO DO FIRST"

I bet you will be warmly welcomed being imbedded with future marine patrols. As a three war combat vet, I would have a plan for you should you accompany my unit. The major left-wing liberal networks trip over themselves to see that pool data gets to Aljazeera and the Muslin press. As in the media hype over prisoner abuse, your recent footage and report will cost American lives. But, who cares in the liberal press? Scoops and leftist aclaim is all that matters.

You Americans are just such huge morons.
All the guys who were shot in that building were clearly unarmed.
War criminals.

There's not an insurgent in Fallujah who held a gun against an American that has any right to live. You try to kill us while we are liberating the city.. you die... when will they learn? MAYBE Kevin Sites reporting will do some good.. if he'd only relayed that message with it.

Next time he should say: Here's one of the scumbags who's not dead yet. He's one of the dumbasses who tried to kill me and the US Troops... end of subject.

This Marine should have been given a metal. You seem to forget that these things or people if that is what you want to call them are animals, it surely takes a real man to cut off the head of another person while they are tied up and to do it to a woman. I think that there should have been a "Take no prisoner" policy. And this reporter, you are scum, remember Mr. Pearl, remember what these lowlifes did? Perhaps you would feel different if this was your son or your daughter that these pieces of shit murdered. They are gutless wonders, they hide their faces because they are truly ashamed of what and who they are. To me, they will always be a walking piece of shit.

KEVIN SITES SHOULD HAVE A BULLET IN HIS FUCKING FACE.........

I sure wish that Kevin Sites was with us in Korea,,, he would not have been here to get stupid on our men in God Damned Iraq...........
I don't even understand why Al Sadr and Fallujah still exist.......... Do we still have an Air Force ???? if so,,,, where in Hell is it ????
Come on President Bush,,,, step up to the line and stand with our Marines and Soldiers.... tell the news media to go pound salt..... Spend some of that political capital you expound so much about on the troops that are fighting and dying for your causes..................

I sure wish that Kevin Sites was with us in Korea,,, he would not have been here to get stupid on our men in God Damned Iraq...........
I don't even understand why Al Sadr and Fallujah still exist.......... Do we still have an Air Force ???? if so,,,, where in Hell is it ????
Come on President Bush,,,, step up to the line and stand with our Marines and Soldiers.... tell the news media to go pound salt..... Spend some of that political capital you expound so much about on the troops that are fighting and dying for your causes..................

I'm anxious to know if KS is still on the beat down there. I can't imagine being the next group of soldiers asked to protect this guy with their lives.

I think they should make the press see if the wounded terrorists are dead or booby trapped. Wear was the press when Kerry was shootiing his guns at inocent vietnamese people?????

Kevin Sites, what a loser, he wouldn't last a day in Vietman. Hey ,Kev good luck. Sleep with one eye open.

First an information: if the old irish woman is really dead, it was 100% not the Mujahidine, they don't kill innocents. Zarkawi NEVER lies!!!

Second: don't think that al-djazeera or al-arabia are "moslem TV": they are like the pig sadam from baath, and this is aginst the spirit of islam´, and they obey to the CIA, else they will disappear

Now to you americans: you have exterminated the real "american" poeple. Hiroshima, it was not moslems but YOU, Vietnam,
Pearl harbor, Sabra and shatila, Somalia, and so on.
Count your victims in the short existence of the USA and compare with the "victims" of moslems (the true ones, not sadam or the other bastard "kings" and "presidnets" who are just the pawn of the US and Israel) during the their long civilisation.

We moslem don't need your democracy. stay at "your stolen" home

Hey berber.... go fuck yourself, we will obliterate all of you dust monkey shitbags eventually .......just one big nuke should do it......p.s take some spelling classes.

You are all reducing this to a liberal vs. conservative issue and it is not. The problem with allowing imbedded reporters is that what they film can never capture the environment that these young men are fighting in. Who among us in a similar situation would not do something like this? It is an unfortunate part of war and I would imagine that this instance is only one of many. Kevin Sites just happened to get photos of this one. Do I agree with this war? Absolutely not. Do we need to support our troops and recognize that they have a job to do and we should not let the media impede that? Absolutely. Please, this situation makes it so much harder on these troops. Give them a break and be thankful that they have the training that they have. The best thing we could do is bring them all home.

Sites is sad testimony to the farce of imbedded journalists. What the hell kind of “news” do they want to report? What the hell do you expect we are going to “see” with the USMC in house-to-house combat? Jack Nicholson said it all in A Few Good Men, “The Truth? You can’t handle the truth!” Marines kill their enemy anyway they can. I’m okay with NOT having to SEE how they do their job. However, the TRUTH that needs reporting is this: Sites sells out some jar-head kid fighting to stay alive in hell as best he knows how. Sites sells out some noble/scared GI who has been dodging death all week. Sites records 30 desperate seconds out of this GI’s nightmare and, like Judas, sells him out to the enemy propaganda machine to promote his own career. Sites is “embedded” all right; embedded as deep as any enemy. Sikes has managed to do with his camera what the sand pigs of Fallujah failed to do: bring down a good Marine. Damn him.

to berber:i don't know who that person that responded to you...either forgot his name or just too chicken shit to post it. i wonder if he's american. he sounds like many,at best, misinformed americans under the leadership of bush and company. so much hate. no wonder we're in that quagmire. apparently you're quite intelligent...know the basic difference between bad and good in everything. that shitbag that replied to your post is so stupid that all he could say is learn how to spell...hahahaha. moron..shame on people like him.aaaargh!!

can't blame the soldier that shot the insurgents in the mosque. my friend's brother a medic, just came back from iraq. he said that those young soldiers are on edge because they just don't know when something will blow up in their faces. i'm sure any of you who'd been in that situation can relate. today, the department of defense reported that 1,214 U.S. military deaths (icasualties.org...see who they are) since the invasion. let's all stop this madness.

to berber:i don't know who that person that responded to you...either forgot his name or just too chicken shit to post it. i wonder if he's american. he sounds like many,at best, misinformed americans under the leadership of bush and company. so much hate. no wonder we're in that quagmire. apparently you're quite intelligent...know the basic difference between bad and good in everything. that shitbag that replied to your post is so stupid that all he could say is learn how to spell...hahahaha. moron..shame on people like him.aaaargh!!

Never in a million years could words express the rage and disdain that I am feeling for you, and for the American media that you represent. You are a traitorous, treasonous, feckless, spineless bastard that deserves everything that will now come around your way. I see here that you are a “freelance journalist” currently working for NBC. For a very brief moment, I had given you the benefit of the doubt and thought, huh…maybe this reporter was in a bit of a dilemma about what he had filmed…maybe he told his “higher-ups” that he was a bit conflicted and wasn’t really sure if he should use the footage. Then I thought, I wouldn’t put it past some bastard, head honcho, America-hating weasel at NBC to demand that he turn over the video because they knew they had a live one. But no…come to find out that you are, technically, working alone (with the Marines keeping you alive, of course), which means that you and you alone decided to release this video for all to see. Boy oh boy, I’d pay to see what those marines would like to do to you right about now.

Once again, you despicable, shameless, self-hating American journalists and media have managed to even further offend and outrage the American public with your treatment of our soldiers in the middle of a war. And all in the name of “reporting”, right? I thought I had seen it all with Abu Ghraib. I guess not. I thought I would have a heart attack with the rage I felt when I heard that the day before, some Marines were killed when a body in a mosque was booby trapped. Yet you have the disgusting gall to judge and question and demean and “expose” this young, brave Marine half way across the globe, fighting for his life…. and yours, literally, you no good son of a bitch.

After my incomprehensible disgust for you, and of course, the American media, I am left just shaking my head in absolute amazement at the politicians and the Bush Administration. After I finish this note, I will be writing a stream of letters. First to NBC, demanding that your ass be canned from any further contributions. Hopefully you’ll go down with the likes of Peter Arnett. Then on to my local politicians, and then, to the Bush Administration. I am in utter shock and disbelief that someone is not calling off this “investigation” and, for once, calling a spade a spade. That someone in the military or the Administration is not coming out and saying, guess what? There’s not going to be any fucking investigation. The Marine was doing what we’re paying him to do. Period. End of story. I hope to God that you become the poster child for everything that has gone wrong with the embedded “rats” over there, and that the Administration pulls all of you rats and feeds you to the ENEMY. I hope to God that you will be made an example out of, for future generations and future reporters, about what is appropriate and what is shameful and despicable, in the name of “reporting”. I can just imagine in WWII, Korea, or Vietnam, some punk ass reporter pulling a stunt like this. The problem is now, the media thinks that they run the fucking country, therefore, you think you actually have the PULSE OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY, don’t you, you bastard? Hopefully, you’ll never get to find out how wrong you are, because hopefully, you’ll never make it back to this country alive.

What’s it going to take for stupid ass, out of touch, America hating reporters like you to realize that 99.9% of the country DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR YOUR GARBAGE? The American public is so beaten down at this point, with the endless, daily barrage of offenses to our senses from the American media, it has made us weak and vulnerable, and you all know it. Who has time to sit down and write letters to politicians, newsrooms, reporters, blogs, about the daily barrage of offensive things that are shoved down our throats on TV and in the movies?…not many people. I DON’T EITHER. However, tonight, I am so incensed, so outraged, that I have to waste my precious time writing this stupid fucking blog because I know that it will go right to the source of my rage, to you, you piece of shit son of a bitch. Best case scenario, may you burn in hell, but if you never work again in the world of “journalism,” that will be good enough for me. Have a nice day over there watching your back, and your head.

Yawn

Thank you Ann Ross... You said what ALL Americans are feeling, and to you Liberal P; my guess is that you are a Jewish law school flunkout. While you're yawning it would be most appropriate for someone to shove a fist down your stupid fucking throat maybe even cut your fucking head off, I'm sure the scumbags you defend would be happy to oblige you. It is truly remarkable how many Jewish people embrace your flawed thinking and who surrender themselves to liberalism- Michael Savage says liberalism is a mental disorder there can be no question that he is absolutely correct........You really are just a PUKE......

I'm now deleting messages that engage in name-calling. If you want to engage with someone to explore her/his views, excellent. You can't do that by calling them asswipes and shitheads. So find some other place to be stupid in public.

OK Weinberg! you are the boss; so ya don't like namecalling HMmmmmm...... you still have some deleting to do.... get busy

Make that Weinberger..My apologies. (sincere)

A crime is a crime, there are laws in the military and in war. To shoot an unarmed and wounded enemy has always been wrong -- in a civilized military, to honourable soldiers, that is. Those person's who state that such actions are acceptable have no honour. First of all to commit a military crime shows a lack of discipline. To allow a crime to go unreported or unpunished is as bad as carrying out the crime oneself. This photojournalist is doing their job, showing people what the war is really like. They are providing evidence of a CRIME, like it or not, soldiers are people, and while most are great, there are bound to be some bad apples. The sociopaths and psychopaths are usually kicked out of the military, but some are smart enough to stay in. Now, once there has been an investigation of this shooting hopefully the truth, whatever that is, will come out. However, if the soldier deliberately did murder an unarmed and wounded enemy, they should be punished - that is military law. Soldiers need to be humane, we need to hold them up to a higher standard and not a lower one. They are not beasts that we turn loose on our enemies. They are our fathers, brothers, uncles, and sons. They see horrible things, and we hope they do not have to do horrible things. By supporting the higher road, we give them honour, and value that which is honourable in them. If we allow them to travel the lower road, we disgrace them and the things that they are fighting for. We are held to a higher standard than our enemies because we choose to be higher. If we do not try to be better than they are, then we end up as bad as they are. Because the rebels do horrible things, does that mean that we can react with horrible things and still hold on to our honour, no we cannot. We have to teach by example, and not by being hypocrites.

This photojournalist is doing his job, and I'm glad of it. Wish we had had more like him in Vietnam. If soldiers want to be proud of the job that they are doing then they have to act in a way to be proud. To have honour, one must act honourably. Murder, rape, theft and torture are never honourable acts. If you think they are, then you really have no concept of what being an American is all about.

And yes, I am an American who can use a number of guns, and other weapons, and I am ready, willing and able to protect what is mine. I am also pro-death penalty, after someone is judged guilty in a court of law by their peers. So, don't think you can throw the false "liberal" label at me, although I think of myself as a liberal and a humanist. I have a brain, and I use it, what is your reactive excuse. I believe that we should act with honour, in a way that would make us and our kids proud. Not in the way that our enemies would act, or would like us to act. Buy into hate and you become what you hate. Buy into hate and you give it the power to destroy you.

Hurrah for this photojournalist. Hurrah for the freedoms that we are over there fighting for!

Blah blah blah blah blah blah........you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about ........I don't give a shit what guns you have you are still a God damned fool......this country is the greatest force in the history of humankind... you either "get it" or you don't .........it's obvious you don't get it.........you never will "get it" ........don't you remember whar President Bush said.... you're either with us or you're AGAINST us.......it is clear where you stand.....putzwad...

What are you people brain-dead. He's a reporter, he reports! Don't blame the guy for doing his job.
Some of you say you want to kill Kevin Sites for being a traitor. This only proves how totally stupid you really are. The guy is there to document events, you can't expect him to sweep the dirty details under the rug. Any good reporter documents the TRUTH, and the truth comes with both the good and the bad.
If you are so closed minded that portraying any soldier in a bad light equals treason, and murder equals an award then you seriously need to get your priorities in order.

I would just like to say, as a journalist...wait a minute why bother, it sounds like you americans have been subjected to too much simplicity to bother so I'll just leave you with this thought - not all humans in a geographical location are the same. Yes this statement is a contradiction so shoot me (just lets hope nobody tapes it, we wouldn't want to think murder is a crime).

Congrats to Kevin Sites on becoming embedded with Al Zaqawi's Iraqi Jahad. You covered a great journalistic story at the expense of a patriotic young American who would have gave his life for YOUR safety. So, come on, we hope you don't go losing your head over it.

I have read most of the comments and I am not a
bit surprised by the news media. It was bound to
happen and will happen again. The way to stop it
is to either stop imbedding or make all reports
be approved by the Officer in charge. Does that
sound like censureship..Yeah damn right..in time
of war thats the way it is. In WW 2 Reporters
were patriots and they would never have undermined
the war effort by doing something stupid like Sites did. Stop Imbedding..Or use the "unthinkable" CENSURESHIP. The press brought
it on themselves. They seem to have lost their way. When the printing of something as volatile
as this is allowed to be published...people will
die... Isn't that a good enough to force restraint ?

Jesus fucking christ. I'm glad every time something mildly scandalous happens because it truly filters out the idiots in the world.

My thoughts here: http://outbursts.blogspot.com/2004/11/quick-recap.html

oh just to add to a few things said here:

yes, the people in the building were clearly unarmed. that must include the people that were assaulting US forces for days before this happened. oh wait, no it fucking doesnt. how were they clearly unarmed? were you personally there strip-searching each and every one of those men? i didn't think so.

yes, kevin sites deserves to die. how dare he simply provide a glimpse into the reality of war. did he tell the marine to shoot the man? did he tell him NOT to? he did his goddamn job. apparently doing your job is punishable by a BULLET IN THE FACE now. might explain why america is so goddamn lazy. too lazy to even see the lies they are fed every day.

hey ann, if the country doesnt want to hear the garbage, then why does it keep showing up in the headlines? i guess i'll just take your word for it that america doesn't want to know the truth. people are free to form their own opinions, and kevin sites is only helping them make informed ones. so far, most of you have all failed in doing that.

America: Think about why everybody hates you.

I'm defending democracy - I guess you hadn't spotted that? And NO I am not a Jewish law school flunkout - I think your stereotyping says more about your prejudices than it does about me. Does it matter who I am? Does it matter what I do for a living? Apparently expressing my view is enough to have a fist rammed down my throat (actually you could try - when you start shaving). Yeah I'm a liberal (well spotted - there is a clue in my tag). You still don't get it do you? You are the only superpower and you are in Iraq to stop terrorism. Hey, I think the world is a safer place now - not. Hey - I think that footage is going to sooth all those young muslim men and make them your allies - not. Job well done Rumy and George.

History repeats, however, some don't remember....

Captain Bruce WEBB (C.O. Item/India Company, 3/3 was leading his company (on 18 Aug 1965) into a Definitely Enemy (VC/NVA) Village compound on Opn Starlite (Nam Yen 3). There were KIAs littering the 1st perimeter obstacles. WEBBs Plt Sgt (I'll keep him anonymous) was shooting the VC/NVA warriors. WEBB chastised his Plt
Sgt for doing a inhumane thing & commanded him to stop. The Plt Sgt did so. Moments later one of the VC/NVAs FRAGGED WEBB, two of his Radionmen & his Company 1st Sgt. WEBB died as a result of that FRAGGING, the rest suffered great wounds & were subsequently medicaced.
[Bruce Douglas WEBB, Capt., USMC, age 31, "Wall 02E-063"..

Nick - point well made. And that point is: shit happens in war. It is standard British Army (and US army I guess) practice to do "ground clearance" after entering a captured zone. That includes putting 2 bullets into every body on the ground and then checking for booby traps. Arguably that was what your marine was doing. BUT he knew there was a camera there. HE acted alone (it wasn't part of a systematic ground clearance). What was he thinking? Kevin Sites is well known for his Bloggs and those guys MUST have known what he was going to do with the film he shot. For mother's sake - the USMC even has a press officer. So the issue is not whether what he did was militarily useful (it was), it is not whether Kevin Sites should have filmed it (he should) or whether we should have seen it (we should). The question is "why are we (yes - thats you and us Brits) there when we are totally failing to do what we claimed we were going to do". That film clip is a metaphore for our (actually largely your) policy in the middle east. Let me boil that down for the right-wingers: Rumy, George and Tony got it wrong.

It's REAL easy to sit on our overfed, fat, self righteous rear ends, back here in comfortable America, and criticize our young men in combat. Most of you would defecate on yourselves in their situation-especially you who call yourselves "lilberal". Let me remind you that the enemy are terrorists, the majority of whom are not Iraqis, but foriegn insurgents from Syria, Jordan, Iran, etc. who have come to Iraq, not to defend Iraq, but to do one thing-kill Americans. They were warned to leave Fallujah, they did not leave, but stayed behind to kill Americans and to become 'martyrs'. Well, they got what they wanted. War is not hell, but it's pretty close to it. When the enemy is booby-traping bodies, doing everything they can to kill you up to their last breath, mistakes will cost you your life. As far as Kevin Sites goes, he's self-righteous bum. The US Marines provide him cover so he can conduct what some would call 'objective journalism'? One video grab out of the context of the entire assault is deliberately misleading. But that's what you liberal media scum bags specialize in, don't you. One thing for sure, if I ever see you in Charlotte, NC you better have your running shoes on. (Smile, you can take a joke, can't you?)

What makes you think I would run? You don't have to be a bigot to resort to violence (but it helps). So puff yourself up as much as you like - I won't run away from the kind of flacid "arguments" (rants) you post. I certainly wouldn't run away from the chance to pull your head out from your ass, and then shove it back up where it belongs. :-) you can take a joke right?

Sites is a reporter with a camera doing a job he is paid for. He did'nt know when he went into that mosque what was going to happen. He didn't set up a scene for political reasons. He shot footage of a Marine foot patrol. He was invited by the military to accompany them. How can he be blamed for showing factual events on the ground. NBC has been one of the staunchest supporters of the administration outside of FOX. They are owned by General Electric which is profitting by manufacturing tools for the military.

Another fact - the marine involved in the shooting incident has not been named by Sites or NBC. The marine may not even be disciplined. We simply do not know all of the circumstances behind this incident as of yet.

More importantly is the fact that by killing every "sand pig" as some like to describe the insurgents, will not help end this conflict any sooner. Neither will destroying large areas of the cities where some resistance is coming from. As the military has recently said, the vast majority of fighters are not foreign Al-Qaeda types but are mainly Iraqi Sunnis. Unless we consciously want the country to split up we should not just continue indiscriminate use of our awesome firepower.

Oh, you would run, alright, Liberal P. But seriously, you addressed not one issue I raised, but resorted to trash talking and name calling, ie, "bigot". Sorry, but that sounds like 'running away' to me.

Kevin Sites is not only a traitor to his country of birth, he is also apparently too stupid to realize why he was released from capture by the enemies of this country some months ago. He indicated on his blog the reason was simply words spoken by a single man which resulted in his release. The obvious truth is it was the threat of massive retaliation by American armed forces which caused his release. And now, how does he repay the American armed forces to whom he owes his life?

If Sites ever happens to read this, I hope it causes him great pain to realize how he has now wronged one of the very people who saved his worthless hide by intimidating those who would have relished his beheading in the absence of American power.

Sites is contemptible. He could have turned the tape of the shooting incident over to military authorities if he thought an investigation necessary, but no, he rushed the tape out to the world with no consideration of the damage it would cause to a brave young marine and, more importantly, to America and its allies in this war which must be won at all costs.

Hey PWC - I thought we were joking around? Shhhheeeesh - you guys have no sense of humour!
I agree with much of what you say up until the "As far as Kevin Sites..." stuff (ignoring the fat arse on the sofa - you were joking then right?). The question that you guys never ask yourselves is "why do these guys want to kill Americans?" Al Quaeda are fruit cakes and should have been dealt with by infiltration and some carefully targeted hits on the quiet. The problem now is you guys have mobilised the whole middle east against you (and us). I saw a great bumper sticker in Texas recently that summed it up for me, cliché or not: "Regime change starts at home". Oh well - 4 more years.
BTW - I don't run unless I have to - and I don't have to.

The Federalist does a nice job of intelligently summarizing this situation. The press performs an indespensible service to any republic, but only when they report all the facts. Kevin Sites did not.

"Damned if they do, Dead if they don't...

"In their latest campaign to eradicate Jihadi vermin on the Iraqi warfront with Jihadistan, U.S. Marines and Army infantry have, in the last two weeks, purged Fallujah of more than 5,000 terrorist insurgents who were dug in throughout the city. The combat has been fierce.

"A week into the Fallujah operation, an NBC photographer embedded with the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, recorded video of a young combat-hardened Marine entering a room in a mosque where he found several insurgents on the floor under covers. Unable to determine if these enemy combatants were injured, dead or preparing to ambush his unit, the Marine raised his rifle in preparation to defend himself and his fellow Marines. When he detected movement from one of the combatants, the Marine yelled, "He's (expletive) faking he's dead! He's faking he's (expletive) dead!" and killed the Jihadi -- and that is where this story should have ended.

"As it turned out, however, the Jihadi had been wounded the day before and the NBC photographer, Kevin Sites (whose photographs are featured on many anti-war Website), stepped up to get his 15 seconds of fame. Sites turned the video over to his network, telling them that he did not think the Jihadi was a threat, and within 24 hours, Lefty lynch mobs were forming to hang themselves a Marine.

"Notably, the loudest protests of "war crimes" were from those who have never been closer to combat than the distance between their living-room lounge chairs and TVs. (Of course, it is a war crime to store weapons in a mosque as was documented, but the Lefties are not protesting that.) Indeed, the Leftmedia's mindless promotion of this video (as with the Abu Ghraib feeding frenzy: see -- http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/edition.asp?id=258) was tantamount to shaking a hornet's nest -- making the task of our fighting forces in Fallujah and elsewhere in the region all the more difficult. Actions have consequences, and the exploitation of this video empowered Jihadis in the region -- in effect, making life very difficult for our Armed Forces.

"But what you're not hearing from NBC's Tom Brokaw or any other Leftmedia talkingheads in their wholesale condemnation of this incident is that Jihadis (knowing that U.S. military personnel have the decency to tend to wounded enemy combatants) have routinely booby-trapped the bodies of dead insurgents. In fact, one member of the Marine squad now being scrutinized was killed (and five others wounded) when attempting to check on a wounded Jihadi only days earlier. In addition, the Marine now being questioned for killing this wounded Jihadi suffered a wound to his face a day earlier when an injured Jihadi fired on him.

"These facts notwithstanding, the Left and their media minions have now made this young Marine their poster boy for U.S. atrocities. Here, we would remind these hypocrites that a few short weeks ago, they were doing all in their power to support John F. Kerry's campaign for the most powerful office in the world. This would be the same JFK who received a Silver Star (with and erroneous "V") for chasing a wounded Vietcong combatant (described as a young boy in a loin cloth) around a hutch and shooting him in the back.

"While we have strenuously questioned the merits of John Kerry's Silver Star for this action, we have never questioned his decision to kill this VC enemy, whom he judged to be a threat to his boat crew. By the Kerry standard, the young Marine in question should get a Silver Star. (Of course, enlisted personnel really have to do something spectacular to pin one of those on.)

Well at least I am not the only one that thinks this guy should not leave Iraq. Isn't providing aid and comfort to the enemy in war Treason.

As an old Cavalry Officer, I would have personally made sure this BS tape would never had seen the light of day.

After some further reading of the posts on this web site, I wonder who would agree with the following:

I wish the President would come out now and tell these 7th century rejects the reality of the consequences of attacking the USA with WMD:

1/5th of your barbaric religion is the Hajj. If you plan to keep this portion of your commitment, you ought to think twice about doing something to the usa. If this happens, you can wait about 10,000 years (isn't this the half life of cesium?)to complete your journey because Mecca will be a radioactive smoking hole in the desert.

This might even make up a little for 9/11!

Thank god for the US Marines! Unfortuantly, Congress only mandates 4 divisions. I wish we had 8. This would make a big difference in dealing with what remains of Saddam's gulag. Shoot them all and let God sort them out

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Sites,
you are nothing but a worthless human who wants to further your notoriety at the expense of the Soldiers and Marines who provide your beloved freedom of press. You worthless shit bag, how could you betray those marines by trying to stick your faggot dick in their eye. Sites, you are a marked man. Nothing would make me happier than to see those rag head muslims cut your head off while your alive, and have your fellow reporters show it on NBC. The gurgling sounds you make will bring delight to millions of Americans. FUCK YOU !!

I love the notion, implicit in much of the above spleen, that America is great because of the quick-to-shout-slow-to-think brigade. It is great in spite of you and because the real thinkers know that a democracy will always have people like you on board. Its when you guys get into power that things go tits-up. But don't worry - we liberals will clear up the mess once Bush has blown the economy and your credibility abroad (which I am sure you feel you don't need to bother with). Travel a bit (and learn about other cultures). Hey, even read a bit (about other cultures). Maybe then you will realise that history (even your short history) repeats itself. Nice post "All American". I am sure you are proud of your opinions and care not a monkey's wank what impression it gives to the rest of the world.
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Jeez. 4 more years.

Marine receives some junk mail.

Sites is going to be beheaded.

Marine must decide what to do. Guess I will catch up on my junk mail.

Good one!

Hey Liberal P, give me a break with your babbling liberalism. I dont agree with George Bush taking us to war in Iraq. In fact, I think it's probably one of the biggest mistakes in history. Having said that, the soldiers and marines that Bush sent to war didn't have any say in the matter. Therefore, we Americans owe them all of our support. They have a job to do that you cant possibly fathom. They are fighting an enemy (savages) that are not bound by the laws of war or geneva conventions, or for that matter, any decency or humanity. But, because we are afraid to upset the liberals in our own country we stick in some shit bag like Kevin sites to follow our soldiers and marines around, so he can try and get his name recognized for some useless journalist award. Let's face it, Sites is in this for himself, and only himself, as are most liberals. He did nothing for this country. Nobody seems to care that these savages cut peoples heads off while they're alive. Never mind these savages shoot at our troops from inside their Mosques, a violation of the geneva conventions. Never mind these savages are killing more of their own people with suicide attacks and car bombs. You tell me, Liberal P, what do you think Sites was trying to accomplish by airing that piece? To further our cause? To protect the geneva convention? The only reason he did it was to make a name for himself. Period. So stop your liberal babble in support of this walking dead man, it's anoying. Go back to being a mushroom in the dark and stop trying to legitimize this shit bags actions.

PS Still waiting for Sites to get whacked by one of those savages. I will sleep soundly knowing that piece of shit is gone from this planet.

All American,

Well at least we agree on something.
But lets go back to Kevin Sites - your solution is to blam all the liberal shit-head press - silence them? Then presumably we can listen to the enlightened press? The reason we have a "free" press is so that shit like Watergate, Profumo, etc, etc is brought to light. That means we also have to put up with shit like Rush Limbaugh and, from your perspective, Kevin Sites. I would fight for your right to listen to any journalistic crap you wanted to. I suspect your definition of democracy and freedom doesn't extend to my right to see what Kevin Sites films. Of course he is making a name for himself (what the fuck are you doing your job for - the good of humanity? I doubt it). But I ask you, did he make up what he filmed? and if not, why are you in such a fluster about it? Your armed forces are an important tool for decracy and freedom and NOBODY in their right mind would imagine that they are doing a tough job in the most professional way they can. But. Nobody forced those marines to sign up. What do you think they thought they were going to be doing once they had signed up? They are professionals - its their job and they are good at it. So why are you treating them with kid-gloves and getting your knickers in a twist about Sites doing his. In a democracy we get to see our warts and pimples in the safety of the freedom we live in. We also have the duty to be, and shouldn't fear being, critical of the way we work (thats we we have elections at regular intervals).
You may not like it, but you need guys like Sites. You may not want to see what Sites shows you, but that is what innocent Iraqi's (remember them?) see every day. We (the so-called coalition) are shooting the fuck out of their country for their sake. Isn't that right? Your solution is to "fuck them" and give the marine a medal. Enlightened foriegn policy All American.

I agree, Liberal P. If there's nothing wrong with what the marine did, then why are people in such a fluster about it being shown? As Liberal P says, the Iraqi's are seeing stuff like this every day. A little whiff of reality is good for our democracy now and then.

Liberal P, Liberal P, you're so far out in left field you're missing all the hits to right and center. Under the Liberal P plan, everyone holds hands and sings "we are the world." I have some news for you Liberal P, the world is a dangerous place. Fortunately for England and America, and to some degree the rest of Europe, we live by the standards of decency. That is not the case in the middle east. You are dealing with a mentality that has no regard for human life. Christian, Muslim, Jew, it doesn't matter, Arabs wil kill anyone, because it's what they know. They will kill in some of the most horrific ways known to man. I wont go into the litany of examples where arabs, middle easterners, or any muslims for that matter, have killed thousands of innocent people. I really mean innocent. You may recall 9-11, Leon Klinghoffer, and a cast of thousands. Yet I digress. Getting back to that self-serving shit bag Kevin Sites. Where is it written that the press has a right to film our military when we send them into harms way? It's written nowhere. The US Military, because it abides by the laws of war, allow reporters to follow them. Why do you think you have the right to know everything? You dont have that right.
When our governments make the decision to send our kids into war, we owe it to them to accomplish that mission unhindered. No press following them around, which incidentally, the military must protect.
Liberal P, let's put you in shit bag sites shoes;
You enter a mosque that's been used as a bunker to shoot at troops. There is a history of these Arabs booby traping corpses, or blowing themselves up when a soldier tries to treat them humanely. Ok Liberal P, there's a wounded Arab that earlier tried to kill you. He begins to move..Liberal P shouts "no no, leave him alone, he's ok..I'll check him out" BOOM !! Too late Mr. Liberal P, you're dead. In fact, you're in pieces. Give it a rest Liberal P you can't defend Sites actions because his actions were self centered. I worry about you LIberal P. I sometimes wonder if you're over there in England smoking some weed and looking at the world through rose colored glasses. "Earth to Liberal P, come back to Earth."

Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall. You're a camera operator. Not a pundit or a politician. You have presented that footage without preference or prejudice, and it is what happened, warts and all. Your job is to report what is present. You've done your job, and a good one at that, Mr. Sites. Go home and sleep well, and ignore the blind jingoistic. "What do we mean by patriotism in the context of our times? I venture to suggest that what we mean is a sense of national responsibility ... a patriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." - Adlai Stevenson

As a combat vet, the killing of any enemy is a fact of war. That "insurgent" or better Iraqi man either has, would or would have at the next opportunity shot or tried to kill without mercy any American he could. That is the price he pays for choosing to kill Americans. The marine made the right choice.

America and Iraq, I've a mind to send you both to your rooms to think about what you've done, and no dessert for either of you.

What a shame that you are not supporting the American soliders that are protecting you in Iraq. When you went there did you think this was a vacation, this is a war zone. The solider is trained to protect their fellow soliders when in a war zone, and this is what they were doing.
You are disgrace to the American G.I.'s who put their lives on the line every day for the great nation they have sworn to defend. Why don't you get a rifle and man a post as these guys do, and then you will respect them and not try to disgrace them.

If I remember correctly the purpose of the assault on Fallujah was to make way for elections in Iraq in January, and therefore I suspect that the success of those elections will be the most obvious judge of the success of the US/Iraqi assault and also the legitimacy of the actions for the US/Iraqi troops.

The success of those elections however is mainly up to the Iraqis. Will they vote? Who will they vote for? How happy are they with their new democracy? How happy are they with the forces in their country? Do they see them as occupiers or liberators?

In other words the opinions of a couple of bloggers (liberal, conservative, or otherwise) is irrelevant, rather it is the opinion of the people of Iraq that matters.

On Kevin's blog, I didnt see any 'E-mail Me' links. Wonder why! He knew this would be his ticket to get his name out there. He thought about erasing the tape, but then he wouldnt get his 15 mins of fame. Well I hope this ends his career. He offered to hold the tape? He didnt realize it would be this big? BS! If he were a real man, he would have handed over the tape to appropriate personnel for the marines to investigae and conceal. We dont need to know everything Kevin!!!!!!!! Get over yourself!!!!!

Mr. Kevin, Your decision to report the action of the young marine is a career killer, Hopefuly your's.This is war, a decision had to be made and the young man made a decision. His decision was to end the career of someone with intent to kill American's. Your decision was to end the career of a soldier whose intent was to give others the freedom that you and I enjoy. Please, if your so set on covering the war do it with us not against us.

copy of email sent to K.S.

Kevin,
In normal times, your actions would be seen by most Americans as treason. Right now, about 50% of the general population sees it that way, and about 95% of Americans in uniform see it that way. I hope that you can find a way to suppress your own need for self aggrandizement and fame for long enough to recognize that you are actually fighting against the our marines. You are part of the propaganda war. To see this, just go to any of the Arab-world web news sites and see whose words they are running to increase anti-American sentiments--Kevin Sites'. Be honest with yourself at least and acknowledge that you are not objective. It is so obvious to so many of us that you have picked a side that you are advocating for, and it is not the side that the American soldiers are fighting for. Keep it up, and maybe a rogue marine will take you out next. Keep that in mind as you are taking actions that will increase the amount of time that we have to remain over there. Take a little time to study some of the history of the importance of propaganda in WWII and all wars in modern times. It is a weapon as important and deadly as a missile. You don't have to make propaganda for the American side, but you are a traitor if you make it for the other side.

Being honest journalist, Mr. Sites should’ve report the incident to the commanding officers. Making it public is giving the propagandistic point to our enemies. It may be qualified as a stupidity but I am afraid it is treasonous. No wonder Arab media and the NYT muse this for a week.

Kevin Sites and people that support him are a disgrace to America. The terrorists, the Marines are fighting, disemboweled a woman, cut off her arms and legs, then left her dismembered corpse for the Marines to find. They know no rules of combat nor the basic tennants of being civilized human beings. They deserve to be shot like the dogs they are. If I were leading that group of Marines, I would order "take no prisoners unless we need to question one". These animals even fire on Marines who approach them after the terrorists have signaled surrender with a white flag, therefore I would not honor a surrender by any of them. In my opinion the job of the Marines is to defeat the enemy and come home safe, at all costs.

Kevin Sites----> an embarassment to his ".....(fill in the blank)". And gutless too. Good job Kevin!!!

The release of this video to the public in principle should make no difference to the military investigation, which alone will decide whether there was a violation of the miltary's own rules, and whether someone should be or will be punished. We all know that it's dangerous to approach injured prisoners, and the military's rules reflect that.
The release of this video to the public makes it possible for the public to discuss whether the military's rules should be changed, either to make them more or less stringent. They act in our name, so we bear the responsibility.
That responsibility includes, however, that War crimes are judged by the victors, not necessarily by us. We might not call it a war, and we might not call it a crime, and it might not be conceivable to us now that the USA might be the losers in wars to come, but history is very long, and empires and miltary hegemonies are not. We might not suffer for whatever others call war crimes, but my 5 year-old might, and her children might, and it will be our own fault for a myriad of small decisions like what rules of engagement we should impose on our military.

Kevin Sites self-serving "explanation" does nothing to make up for the fact that this his tape was released to the public - with the NAME of the Soldier plainly there for all (of the eastern media) to see!

Should these Soldiers really have to worry that there actions in combat will be played on national television - like some sort of instant replay in football???

Kevin Sites and you bastards at NBC should be brought up on charges of treason, as far as I'm concerned. Or, if some terrorist attacks that Soldiers family - you should be liable.

That video should have been held - and dealt with as an internal military review - prior to release. And at the very least, the Soldiers name should have been edited out. But then that wouldn't have given you that instant rush of a timely, breaking story - would it???

Bastards. What if that was YOUR son????

Lunkheads. Who do you think has a better take on this, ignorant yahoos in White Confederate Amerika, or a reporter who's actually there, LIVING with the Marines, you twats? The press is not the designated cheerleader, its job is to report. Get over it, would-be tough-guys.

Lunkhead: What a non-sensical argument you pose. You obviously know nothing about WAR - or history, for that matter. The press' job is not to POST the NAMES of our SOLDIERS in COMBAT - especially with an incident like this.

But will probably resort to name-calling again, right? Because your argument has no merit. This was a violation of the media's own agreemment with the Military NOT TO REVEAL THE NAMES OF THE SOLDIERS!!!!

How could ANYONE think it was acceptable to jeopordize this Soldier's family by making his name available to the terrorists- in conjunction with this video showing him killing an enemy in combat (justified or not)????
This is nothing short of betraying our Soldiers in combat.

If in fact that is true, I agree 100%. Who is reponsible for this?

Kevin Sites and the Editors at NBC could have, and should have, decided to EDIT the Soldier's name out of the video prior to providing it to the international media.

It is unfortunate that Kevin Sites would have done this but after reading his work on his site I feel more like the editors at NBC should be held more responsible due to the fact that they are "editors" and not Kevin Sites, who is basically reporting it the way he see's it. And lets not forget that he is there in the trenches so-to-speak aswell. I don't think the Marines over there have ill feelings towards the man because if they did, would he not be allowed to go out with them on some of these dangerous missions? They could after-all send him to a non combat area to report from afar. OR worse tell him to go report on his own without the protection of your troopers. Am I that far off in my thinking here?

By the way, there is NO question that NBC (either purposefully or inadvertantly) included the Name of the Soldier in the video that they provided to the international media (including al-jazeera), showing the killing of an enemy in combat (whether it was a justified killing or not).

If everyone hates America so much, why are the lines at immigration so very long every day of every week, year after year? If we've got everything so wrong, and the liberal monday morning quarterbacks with the benefit of hindsight have it so right, why do they all want to live here? When there are so many more "enlightened" countries that you can live in? It's easy to not be hated when you are a do nothing country that lets others do all of the dirty work and take all of the heat, while you sit back and pick and choose what to critisize. If we are the only superpower in the world, then why would we want to listen to you second rate nations that allow your envy to color your views of us as your people try in mass to emigrate here? I suggest that all of you that have all of the answers and know exactly what America should do, either stay in your country of origin or move to one of those "enlightened" countries and combine your wisdom with like minded people to create the "utopia" that you so richly deserve. Please.

Your thinking is not far-off. I agree the blame should lie mostly with the editors- as that is THEIR job.
And Kevin Sites is not spending too much time with the Soldiers anymore after this incident.
They can no longer trust that he (or NBC) will not advertise their names to the terrorists -as they have with this soldier in question.

It's really a shame, I enjoyed his writing. He was alot more informative then the filtered crap I read in the paper.

We weren't talking anything about "hating America" - or liberal or conservative views. We were talking about the right that the Soldiers have to protect their identity... Stay on Topic here, R.L.

This post is directed to R.L Edwards. It's the old saying, 1 bad apple spoils the barrel unfortunatley. I am not from the States, but where I come from I know not one person who dislikes the States. There will always be policies that we do not agree with but when your the biggest power on earth you will tend to be critisized more than anyone else. I'm actually ashamed of my goverment and it's view on this war. BTW, I do agree mostly with what you say, and hey, our immagration lines are just as long!

Robert - I agree. I don't want to call Sites names - or accuse him of being a liberal - or communist - or whatever the hate spew out there is now. He was however, at least partially responsible for allowing the soldier's name to be released... This is a major violation of the trust that we owe our Soldiers out there fighting and dying in combat...

We seem to be on simular pages here. He is partially responsible and I'm sure he is aware of it and god forbid anything was to happen to this man's family as a result, it will weight heavy on his shoulders for the rest of his life. Let's just remember it was a mistake and was not intentional. Doesn't your country have some type of law forbidding this type of thing from happening? Heck, TV channels get charged millions of $$ for showing Janet's boob on TV, but nothing happens when a GI's name is plastered all over the media for something he has yet to be found guilty off.

Robert - Good Question. I would just be guessing to try to answer for you. But it sure does seem hypocritical that we go crazy about a breast - but don't even bat an eye when we violate a soldier's trust.... I'll try to find out some info - and post.

It a shame these soldiers have to go into battle with the enemy in front shooting them with guns, and the enemy behind them shooting them with cameras.

Well stated, Bill. Unfortunately, the media makes more money off of breaking the rules and exploiting our soldiers rather than telling their stories and supporting them. Sad state of affairs...

Thanks to whoever said the right words to quiet Liberal P. He/She has much too much time on his/her hands. Besides, aren't children supposed to be in school?

At first I felt outrage over this embed reporter who only reported a small slice of what really happened; outrage over the American media in their eagerness to air this footage without airing other footages that showed context as to why this unfortunate event happened. To my mind, this embed "reporter" behaved like a vulture who's working for a profit oriented company. "News is money" is their creed. Greed is their ideal. If I were a marine I would have punch this embed's face and tell him go fuck himself with his camera.

After a while, I felt sadness, sadness for the young marine who endured a lot (being shot at in the face, while losing a buddy in comabat).

I felt shame for all Americans who judge this young American, well they feel very comfortable here, with all the comforts and safety because of the sacrifices of these young men who had not reached the prime of their lives and who may die befor their time...

Ahh... the world goes round, today IRAQ.. tomorrow...another challenges. we all grow old and die and our children will face another challenges but sadly the same cycle goes over again and again...it's pointless to get emotional over this now.. better shut our eyes and forget and hope that God Help Us.

The only sad thing about this is the insurgents will think they have one up on us now. Reporters, especially a United States reporter, should know damn well the trickery these insurgents can and will do to get the job done. The Marine got the job done. Now this guy can't come back in a couple of days and blow himself up and take some of our brothers with him. God Bless the Marines adn all of our Armes Forces over in the Middle East.

The one thing 911 brought to the surface are all the hateful, murderous, no lifers. If any of the posters spewing this rhetoric were half the American they say Kevin Sites isn't, they would swallow their bullshit and enlist and fight on the front line. They wouldn't be on here spewing their BS and making proclamtions about what a reporter or Marine, should or shouldn'r do.

Heres reality, civilians are being killed, women and children who have no ties to 911. Geneva convention guidelines and war crime laws are there to protect ALL CITIZENS. Hopefully none of the whimps behind their laptop will ever encounter war HERE and some animal take this type of mercy on them.

By endorsing such behavior after it has been REPORTED these IRAQIs were already, SEARCHED and DISARMED the previous day, makes yall as bad as wht you hate, the terrorists.

hey libby, calm down will you? you better go back to your native land

I think before you insist on the death of a journalist, which by the way is exactly what terrorists do, you might want to go to Kevin Sites blog and read his letter. Maybe if you read what actually happened you might not rush so lethally to judgement. Just a thought.

I'm a U.S. Marine. I just returned from a deployment with the 22nd MEU to Afghanistan. My brothe is also a Marine. He is a Sgt on his SECOND deployment to Iraq. That said, let's remember that who the enemy is. Also, instead of singling out one reporter, especially one with balls enough to go into combat with Marines, look at the bigger picture. My personal opinion is that war time events should not be covered by the media. Evryone wants to b--ch and complain about the media, but you all hang on there every friggin word and report. If you all have such a problem with them, quit spending every waking minute with the friggin news channel on. SEMPER FI and support the troops!

People need to think before reacting. Sites is not the person who shot the Iraqi. It is like putting all the blame on someone who had a video camera catching police brutality on tape.

Sites working for NBC does not make him biased. Who is he supposed to work for to be considered unbiased? Fox News? NBC is biased by default – simply because it’s not Fox News. Give me a break. It is obvious who on here watches Fox News 24/7 – the inability to reason and be objective is amazing.
Sites is a freelance reporter and has worked for many news organizations. NBC just happens to be his current employer. Reporter's job is to report. What they do is always unpopular with people who get caught on tape doing something they shouldn't be. Also, last week I pointed out that the other wounded insurgents were shot just before Sites walked in. We'll see how it plays out.

Sites' reports are always as fair as possible, if you have ever seen them. If Sites caught on tape some dispicable act by insurgents he'd be proclaimed a real patriot and be applauded by the same people who want to kill him now.
People who proclaim that Sites needs to die should change their last names to Zarqawi. You might not be related by blood to that piece of shit, but you might as well be. People's partisanship has completely blinded them nowadays - objectivity is non-existant. Every event is looked at thru a prism of right or left wing views.
Read the whole letter by Sites myself now. He explained very well what actually happened and why he had to do what he had to do. Destroying the tape would have been opposite to what he has been professionally trained to do and then actually he'd lose any credibility as a reporter. It is clear that hurting the Marines in any way was not his intention. It is only seen that way in the eyes of people who assume things before knowing or understanding the facts and jump to conclusions.

This has been as tough on him as on anyone. He was put into a really crappy situation just like a Marine having to make a decision he had to as well. When you say that he has not stared thru a gun barrel I would argue that being in the middle of a battle holding nothing but a camera takes at least as much courage as holding an M-16.

Sites also mentions perhaps saving the lives of many Marines prior to the incident when he saw that a grenade fell into a pile of ammo and alerted the caommander. The Marines who were with him escaped death or injury running out of the building just in time.

In conclusion, the Marines in question might have acted inappropriately or will be cleared by the investigation. To say that all of this should have been just swepped under the rug and not reported and to blaim Sites is to not udnerstand our purpose in Iraq at all. If we are there indeed to liberate the country and makes things better we can't behave like animals and censor the news. That was Saddam's job.

P.S. This is not Kevin Sites' blog. The right wing haters show their stupidity in assuming that it is. If you want to know what really happened and read what Sites has to say go to his site kevinsites.net.

http://www.kevinsites.net/

Maybe yall ought to go read what Kevin saw before you spout off like dramtic facist. His comentary is fair as is his blog. Not all Iraqis are insurgents or terrorist and to wish death on all, makes you as bad as them, if not worse and hypocritical as you claim to be so above it.

wow, Sites's letter to the 3.1 is pretty revealing. Read it because he addresses most of the attacks we've made on him in this thread. In particular, the decision to share the tape with international media. One thing I'm still not clear on, there was a discussion above about the release of the marine's name. I still haven't seen any source name him. Did I miss it? Where was the name put in print?

Hey Sites, who the hell do you think you are? Some chosen spokesman knighted by the supreme being? Your nothing !!! On your lame explaination of your treasonous act you babble on your BLOG: "when the Iraqi man in the mosque posed a threat, he was your enemy; when he was subdued he was your responsibility; when he was killed in front of my eyes and my camera -- the story of his death became my responsibility." According to who you pompuos ass? Nobody nominated you to be the world's judge. You're nothing but a man with twisted loyalties and self centered aspirations. You moron, if you were so concerned about what was on the tape, then give it to the military leadership to take action...not Al Jazeera to use as propaganda against our fighting men. You sicken me you useless piece of shit. I would have more respect for you if you admit to our troops you made a big mistake. However, that will never happen because you're a spineless piece of shit trying to make a name for yourself, at the expense of our troops. And yes. I've been in Combat, so don't think I don't know what our soldiers are exposed to. Sites, your a disgusting vomitous piece of shit. You hide behind your sanctimonious freedom of press. Enjoy it, it was given to you with the blood of the very soldiers you betrayed..You scum Bag !!!

Hey Sites, watch that friendly fire! (hopefully)

Site's pathetic explanation and rationalization of why he HAD to write the piece of propaganda that fingered the young Marine was truly self-serving and gave aid and comfort to the ememy. These people cut off the heads of non-combatants, disembowel females, torture, mutilate, and drag our dead troops through the streets before hanging their bodies from bridges.

Hand Site's a rifle instead of his gun and see if his behavior changes!

Site's pathetic explanation and rationalization of why he HAD to write the piece of propaganda that fingered the young Marine was truly self-serving and gave aid and comfort to the ememy. These people cut off the heads of non-combatants, disembowel females, torture, mutilate, and drag our dead troops through the streets before hanging their bodies from bridges.

Hand Site's a rifle instead of his camera and see if his behavior changes!

First - to D.Weinberger: sorry for breaking the rule but the following 'critique' was a long time comming.

All "American" (my quotes) - read Sites' blog. You have been in combat? Where was that - Mortal Combat 2? And as for your accusation of pomposity I think you need to examine your tag. I am sure it feels like that to you.
Give me a break. Sites could care less about you (or me) : armchair critics. He is addressing the USMC. I am sure you would like to believe that is because he is shitting himself that they will frag him (and that may well be the case).
BTW - I love the stuff in the middle of this where Rob and Bill go apoplectic about the publication of the Marine's name. The marines name hasn't been released - and if you have a name it wasn't released by Sites or NBC. Classic right-wing bollocks: make up an injustice and then rant about it. Listen guys - I like a rant just as much as you but for fuck's sake - rant don't wank.

Take a look at the movies 'Bowling for Columbine' and 'Farenheit 911'. Theres a lot of truth in these movies - otherwise Michael Moore would be incarcerated himself. You Americans are being so misled it's unreal. Oh, and one more thing....just because Tony Blair is so far up G.W.B's ass he could see his hat, it doesn't mean he's speaking for the whole of Britain. Over here he's seen as spineless.

You guys all want the TRUTH and want to know what's going on, but only when it's Pro America. Well I can only agree with Clive and Liberal P. If any of you guys had to do the same job as Kevin Sites, you'd all fail as Reporters. Kevin Sites didn't EVER name the Marine, he simply did his job and then had to hand over the report to NBC. He is just showing this what this war actually entails and how war crimes happen... He has more guts than any of you put together.

FUCK YOU SITES.......YOU COWARDLY MOTHER FUCKER AND AS FOR LIBERAL P MAY YOU ROT IN HELL...WE WANT OUR BOYS BACK HOME TO THE UK IN PIECE NOT IN BODY BAGS....

Remember the picture of the South Vietnamese general executing the Viet Cong spy at point blank range. Well, the photographer got a Pulitzer for that one.

Sites is trying to win his own award or otherwise gain notoriety for himself. If he has to fuck up someone elses life or if he has to fuck over his country in this pursuit, he doesn't give a shit. It's all about him.

What really pisses me off is the sanctimonious bastard creating this bull shit story that depicts him taking the high road.

When you take deliberate action to undermine your country during a time of war, what do we call that? Can we say.....TRAITOR.

Actually, Clive, many of us view Tony Blair as
representing a minority of Brits with courage and conviction. Besides, your country, like France, has been infiltrated by Muslims to the point that your choices with regard to waging a war on terror have become rather limited. I'm afraid you may pay a rather high price, down the road.

Right Boomer!! The UK has become too soft with regards to Immigration. I'm not a rascist - many who have settled in this country have made a great contibution. The trouble is, British politicians have been strangled by PC and pander to those who offer nothing. I'm afraid it might be too late for the UK. They're shutting the stable now the horse has bolted.

SITES DID RELEASE THE NAME OF THE SOLDIER ON THE TAPE!!!
It wasn't in writing, Steven - IT WAS ON THE TAPE THAT HE (AND NBC) RELEASED TO THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA!!!! THEY DIDN'T EVEN THINK ENOUGH PAST THEIR OWN GLORY TO EDIT OUT THE GOD DAMN NAME OF THE SOLDIER! HOW CAN ANY OF YOU PEOPLE DEFEND THIS??? DID THEY NOT AT LEAST OWE IT TO THE SOLDIER TO MAINTAIN HIS ANONYMITY??? THE REASON YOU AREN'T AWARE OF THIS IS THAT THE WESTERN MEDIA IS NOT REPORTING IT - OR SAYING HIS NAME. BUT IT IS BEING PLASTERED ALL OVER THE EASTERN MEDIA - al jazeera, etc...

Liberal P - Get your facts straight before you shoot off at the mouth. SITES AND NBC DID NOT EDIT OUT THE NAME OF THE SOLDIER ON THE TAPE THAT THEY PROVIDED TO THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA. JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T READ THE NAME IN THE WESTERN PRESS - OR SEE IT ON TV, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DIDN'T RELEASE THE NAME OF THE SOLDIER! Man, can I stop yelling now? Do you feel all warm and fuzzy over there knowing that OUR media released the name of that soldier in question to every f-ing terrorist group in the world?!?!?!?

Liberal P just wants to call everyone who doesn't agree with him a Right-wing wacko. I have strained to not get into the name calling (as witnessed by my previous comments) but Liberal P is just the type of person that thinks that he/she knows it all - and it now EXPOSED-- by not knowing that Sites and NBC did indeed release the name of the soldier (and his family) - perhaps inadvertantly - but none-the-less, they have compromised the security of the soldier's family in the process. If I were the soldier - or his family - I would sue NBC until they were blue in the face. And as far as you go, Liberal P - I voted for Kerry - and am not a right wing anything. I have not offered any kind of arm-chair decision - right or wrong on the Soldier's actions. I think the tape should have been held until the investigation was completed - AND THE NAME WAS EDITED OUT OF THE VIDEO!!!

OK. Part of Kevin Sites defence blog says about how he found the two wounded bleeding to death in the mosque and then "Knelt down next to them to film them." Look, I can understand people killing each other in that Mosque, people from both sides,either the Arabs, who believed in what they were doing and died for it, or the marines, who are serving their country, right or wrong, and also risking death. What I can't understand is the mentality of someone who wants to film suffering or dying men. Out of those three, the arabs and the marines were putting their lives on the line and fighting for something but the cameraman...words fail me. What sort of creatures are people that want to get to close to other people's suffering? They and their defenders will claim all the old garbage about witnesses to truth etc. Come on! War reporters love war, they really love it,whereas normal people are there because they have to be or,in self-defence. Who but a very twisted individual would get involved in all that stuff voluntarily, with nobody attacking them, and no command to serve? The media don't see it that way but then to paraphrase one of my compatriots, they wouldn't, would they?

I read the account of this incident from Sites and I found it rather astonishing. How is it that a person looking through a camera lens (view finder) could glean such specific detail to determine if a person, 15 feet away (his words), did or did not pose an immediate or imminent threat? Mr. Sites, please clarify your training, because it surely supercedes the combat training that the Marines fighting in Fallujah have be taught. You mention there were no ‘sudden moves or lunges’ by this terrorist, yet you fail to enumerate on what caused that marine to scream that he (the terrorist) was faking death. Why did this marine identify this particular insurgent as a threat and not the other wounded terrorist?? Did you give it any thought as to what this marine actually saw??

In your world of taking action photos/film, you were looking for the obvious – a lunge or sudden movement! Unfortunately, your intrinsic familiarity as it pertains to combat situations prevented you from recognizing what possibly was a potentially bobby-trapped terrorist – or one feigning his own death in order to fight another day. Did it occur to you that in war, individuals captured or wounded will only make small furtive movements? Something as surreptitious as the slow movement of the hands or slow and/or squinting eye movement can become lethal. You imply that this was an execution, because the day before you were in this same room and you saw no weapons. Are you that naïve to assume these individuals could not have rearmed or bobby-trapped themselves? Wake-up! You’re in the Middle East an area where the term “Suicide Bomber” was originated!

You can write to your hearts content, and you can continue to profess your neutrality in your journalistic work(s). What you can’t do is fool the public with your disingenuous justification in providing this tape to the enemy for their own propaganda needs. As a combat embedded reporter, I am happy that your despicable action has probably caused your removal from the battle-front where now, our soldiers can now continue the fight without having to look over their shoulders.

Was it betrayal or negligence that allowed Kevin Sites and NBC to supply the international media with the name of the soldier in question?
Would it have not been better to wait until the investigation has concluded to release this footage?
The answers to these questions reveal the truth behind this story. NBC and Kevin Sites were in such a hurry to release this "timely" footage and get their glorious story out there that they did not even take the time to insure that the Soldiers name was edited out of the video. They, in their haste, supplied the name of the soldier - and the soldier's family - to every terrorist in the world. Is this not a direct betrayal of the contract that the embedded journalists agreed to before joining the Marines in combat?
Now if NBC wanted to do the right thing, they would have waited until there was sufficient time for the Military to conduct and investigation - and insured that the Marines identity was completely removed from the video, and then released their story - but instead their greed for the "big one" clouded their judgement and in the process compromised the security of the Soldier's family as well as the integrity of the embed process.
There is no excuse for their actions - and Kevin Sites attempt to make one just exacerbates the situation further.
Kevin: You have betrayed the trust of your fellow Americans - and in your haste to get the story out, you neglected to insure that your end of the contract was upheld . You have supplied the enemy with an invaluable peice of propaganda - and for that I will never forgive you. It was your duty to first protect the identity of that Marine - and then get out your story. You have failed us all.

To All American, boomer, Chuck, cpl Getts, Navy Vet, that Idiot who called Liberal P a "Jewish law school flunkout" but didn't leave his name and all you other "patriotic americans" out there.

How many of you can honestly say that if some other country invaded the states to liberate you from Dubya and stop him using his immense stockpiles of WMDs, you wouldn't take up arms to defend your homeland?

America is supposedly a democracy with freedom of speech. That means you can express your opinions, whatever they are, but democracy also gives freedom of the press. Kevin Sites saw an unarmed, wounded man on the wrong end of a summary execution and that is the truth of the matter, journalists have a responsibility to report the truth, whether you like it or not. As for Liberal P, good to see an american who hasn't been brainwshed by the Neo-cons.

Fair enough, it's a war, people die, but whatever side you're on, killing unarmed people just isn't done, this proves that Uncle Sam is just as bad as the Arabs and doesen't like the taste of its own medicine.

Eighteen months ago, I was swallowing Dubya's BS, but this past year has shown me terrible things, sights that have plunged millions into terror that they will be next to be bombed by Coalition warplanes, a coalition that my country, the UK, is part of, and I am deeply angered that we are aiding and abbetting Bush.

Finally, I repeat my initial question, can you honestly say that you would not be willing to do the same as the 'terrorists' in Iraq if America was under attack?

Joe,
You have very cleverly managed to turn this blog about Kevin Sites and NBC's decision to air that unedited footage into a referendum on the Iraq war. If you look at the polls, roughly half of Americans did not - and do not support this war. The other half does. So you will most likely not receive one unified answer to your query, but instead two very different answers. But in the end, what does it really matter - it was not us, the citizens, who decided to go to war, but the President. We never had the chance to vote either way.

Rob
regarding what you said earlier about the soldiers name being left in the tape, do you really think it makes that one marine more likely to be shot than any other? From a hypothetical viewpoint, if I was an Iraqi I wouldn't care whether I shoot him or any other soldier, war is war, its ruthless and indiscriminate

Allright, everyone seems really angry. Everyone wants liberal P to shut up. I am a U.S. Marine, and a conservative, so I think my view might be from a better vantage point. The fact of the matter is that the marine shot one of the five insurgents in the house. Why just one? Face it, he made a mistake. He was scared, tired, wounded, and running on adrenaline. How many people in this forum can claim to have been in the same circumstance. All of us could or could not have reacted the same way. You cant say what you will or will not do in the face of adversity. As for Kevin Sites, I think he should have shown more than just that. What was he doing the day before when they were ambushed? Was he filming that, or any of the other numerous ambushes? Where are the photos of insurgents shooting wounded marines? Yet, I dont want kevin sites to "Burn in Hell", or "catch one in his head". Marines must always be aware of what they are doing in every situation, and personally, I wouldnt be hanging with a squad with a reporter in it. And Liberal P, dont shut up. You have a right to say what you will, and if we take that right away, then what the hell am I fighting for. We as Americans should revel in our diversity, and our ability to disagree. Yet, when it comes to us yelling and screaming at each other about how the other one needs to die, or go to hell, then we are just turning on ourselves. What the military needs more than anything is for America to be strong, and support them, and put themselves in the militarys shoes, and to also remember that as service members, we fight for you because we love our country, the people in it, and our uniqueness. So for all of you spreading this hate, dont let it consume you, there is already enough hate in the world as it is. Do something proactive instead of complaining about the liberals and conservatives. We need to fix the problems, not dwell on them.

Thanks, Joe, you've placed me in some pretty good company. To your point, you're goddam right I would do the same thing as the tangoes are doing in Iraq, but for different reasons
and with different motivation. However, I would not be using my fellow citizens as human shields and I would not go around kidnapping innocents and lopping their heads off. Nor would I sacrifice women and children to save my own ass.I have no issue with anyone defending their homeland. These fuckers are not defending their homeland, they are fanatics coming from all over the Middle East to make sure the democratization of Iraq is a failure and the status quo is preserved thruout the region. They know all too well that if one group of people is freed, there will be an uprising against the tyranny that is rampant there.

If you can't understand these differences, that should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention and is not blinded by partisan hatred, then I have nothing more to say to you.

I firmly realize I dont know my ass from a hot rock on world affairs. I join a large crowd. I believe the US Government has demomstrated substantial arrogance blended with too much ignorance with respect to the middle east. Why are we in charge of policing the world? Why should we send our kids into combat to save people who dont want us?

There was a comment days ago from a Brit who has some insight which I support. He suggested fighting terrorism with secret tactics and disavow all knowledge as to how and why key terrorist keep disappearing. I was thoroughly disappointed when President Bush thumped his chest when a drone took out five terrorist responsible for the Cole bombing. Hey George dont show our hole cards!

I have the feeling that as a country we are kissing ass instead of kicking ass. However, with Pakistan, Iran N. Korea and others starting to disprect us, it is time to realize that our options will be limited to a push button war.

This analysis is certainly not good. We do not have the native intelligence to pick our battles well. It is time to rethink and retool.

Kevin Sites had done all that was necessary up to the point that he reported what he saw to the Marine's officers. After that point, when he and NBC published the tape, no purpose was served other than to inflame opinion against the US, impair our effort to win and end this war, and cause additional American and Iraqi casualties. Sites and NBC may attempt to rationalize publishing the tape as the service of Truth, but, in fact, all they are doing is flattering their own egos, sacrificing the Marine and the national interest to their sleazy little personal agendas. I hope the Marines kick Sites's butt all the way back to NY, where he belongs, rather than in the field with courageous men and women who do put their lives on the line to protect weasels like Sites and NBC.

Further, as to the young marine and subsequent media circus, remeber Rodney King, adjustments to technology is an important topic to teach.
If the investigation does not consider all the mitigating circumstances facing this young marine, then it is a shame. Fear, anger and rage set an ugly table. I hope the persons making a final decision on this nightmare understand you can't "train out" human emotions when they are so condenced as this case seems to reflect.
Sites is not part of this formula.

I seems to me that as a result of this young Marines action in combat, he now qualifies to be a member of the US Senate and run for the President of the United States. I only hope the Pentagon would seriously consider awarding him the Silver Star like they did for Senator Kerry went he killed his first wounded VC.

These Marines are just kids, maybe 19 to 25 years old, but by God they are more man than all of you who look to fat maggot Michael Moore as your hero. You who have never worn a uniform, never carried an 80 pound pack on your back or toted an M-16 and known the heat of battle. They are in Iraq to do a job: Stamp out the maggots the press calls "insurgents." They are doing a fine job. I'm PROUD OF THESE GUYS!

Liberal P, and Joe, what the hell are you guys babbling about? Liberal P, I'm not going to argue with you on my comabt experience. So for arguments sake, lets just say (or you say) it was Mortal Combar 2. It's really a moot point as what we are discussing here is the Almighty Kevin Sites and his desire to be the savior of mankind.
Joe, you're not even close on your argument. Of course any person, from any country, would fight against an enemy. However, in Iraq, it's not Iraqis that are the enemy. It's predominantly foreign fighters, with just a few Iraqis that have been brainwashed into this nonsense called Jihad.
Yet I digress, what this forum is all about is the self centered shit bag reporter Kevin Sites and his biased reporting of a Marine in combat. Period. What Sites did was wrong. He knows it, but he wont take responsibility for his actions because he's a spineless human. Like I stated in a previous post; If Sites was so concerned by what he saw, then give the tape to military authorities. They will take action. Do not give the tape to the press so you can try and win the pulitzer prize, while at the same time feeding the enemy's propaganda machine. Sites wanted to be famous and now he's infamous. "Hey Sites, stop trying to justify your wrongdoing. Admit you screwed up. Maybe then America and it's allies will stop condemning you." Otherwise, I look forward to the day you get fragged by the enemy while filming them doing something wrong, which is always.

Sorry,
I forgot to put my name in the above post. I wouldn't want Liberal P to call me a coward like that like that spineless piece of shit Sites.

Don't you think the entire US media is responsible for half of this trouble. They tell the public of terrorist threats and how everyone is a target. NO YOU'RE NOT AMERICA. The entire terrorist networks aim is to get what they want by scaring people. The US is playing right into their hands.

I'm back what did i miss

Right, All American, good point, but lets suppose Canada's been invaded do you suppose America(ns) wouldn't want to help, If it was the arabs doing the invading wouldn't you call fighting them a crusade?
As for Kyle, I agree, the marine made a mistake, pretty big mistake and to be fair, I've seen the whole tape and he seemed pretty shit scared when he realised he'd been caught on candid camera. But we all have to answer for our mistakes and like someone said earlier, it would have been found out about eventually, it took a year for the general public to find out about My Lai

Ann Ross, you need to see a shrink.

KS did the right thing to report the gruesome incident. The whole exercise on Iraq is riddled with war crimes and atrocities and all responsible will pay with their burdened conscience and souls.

Read 'Open Letter to Devil Dogs of the 3.1'
on KS'blog, you'll understand the circumstances better. He seems sincere to me.

http://www.kevinsites.net/

KYLE seems to make the most sense in his comments. If Sites really wanted to do the right thing, he would have given (a copy of) the tape to the Military to conduct a proper investigation - because as Kyle (a Marine) says, none of us know what it's like to be in that soldier's shoes for even one minute, let alone 8 straight days of combat against un-uniformed enemy combatants using every dirty trick in the book. Now, at some point in time after the investigation was over - and the soldier's identity was edited out of the video, he could have released the tape and told the story just the same - without compromising anyone. But that wasn't the 'timely' story that Sites and NBC thought was going to get them a pulitzer...

JOE - Man, you just don't get it. By plastering this soldier's name all over al-jazeera, they made this guy enemy number one - and that puts his FAMILY at risk back here in the states, because in case you haven't noticed- these terrorists have a global reach - and really buy into whole the symbolism thing. Besides the fact that it was against the rules to identify the soldier in question - especially before there was even an investigation. Kevin Sites and NBC were more interested in getting their glorious story out in a timely manner, rather than protecting the identity of that Marine in question.

KYLE - I did not hear you mention one thing about the fact that they did not edit out the Soldier's name prior to giving the tape to al-jazeera, etc.. As a Marine, how do you feel about that???

Les - Come on now, Let go of the hate, man - Bush won - OK - so you can stop demonizing Kerry now.

The NVA soldier that Kerry killed to get the Silver Star had a B-40 Rocket in his hand as he was running away in the heat of combat - and could have turned around and fired it at any point in time.
Just a wee bit different, huh?

As long as you see things in strictly Red and Blue - Liberal and Conservative - you will never be able to see the truth - which most of the time lies in the middle.... and is not the propaganda from either side.

Rob-The fact that they didnt edit out the marines name is just one more example of how the media needs to be more cautious on what they report. It didnt go through enough of the proper channels to reach the desk of someone with enough sense to say "We cant freaking broadcast this marines name". No terrorist will hurt him though, as long as he is in the Marine Corps custody. We need to turn back to the day when we had military reporters in the field, not freelance. Believe it or not, the military news reports a lot more evenly than the public media. It just has a tendency to stay away from too liberal or too conservative. When we go that far, all it accomplishes is inflaming peoples emotions. Face it, Americans love to sit in their houses and watch news that makes them happy or angry. The media seems to make more money off of angry though. Also, a briefcase of SARIN gas was discovered in Fallujah the other day, enough to kill a few thousand people. Someone please tell me, why isnt that front page news? If anyone wants a picture, I can get you one of the actual cylinders that was photographed.

Thanks for your response, Kyle. It's just seems unforgiveable to me that NBC made the "mistake" of not editing out the Soldier's name. It kills me to see al-jazeera plastering this guys name all over their broadcasts. It's almost a household name to these terrorist dirtbags now...
I agree it represents no real threat to the Marine himself, but he has to be a bit un-nerved that his family's name is broadcast on al-jazeera...

I also agree that the media is out of control - and serve only their own purposes. Probably why that Sarin thing has not even been covered - or at least that was the first mention I heard of it - I would appreciate any more info -or a link to the pictures....

If any of you had ever read any of Kevin Sites reports you would know that he is a stand up guy and has put himself in harms way often to get to the truth of things. He also has a love and respect for the men in uniform that he is imbedded with and who keep him safe. Open your minds people. Kevin is a decent human being with a passion and a love for life and people everywhere.

The evilness in this situation is the political sissies who will give up this Marine to appease nations posing as our friends. It does not matter who brought the story forward. It was bound to surface under the theory of protecting your own ass.

I doubt if any career conscious decision maker will stand up and strap on some juevos to battle for this Marine. Then again, maybe he capped the creep in cold blood and nobody can save him. My question remains, why are fighting in a conventional style when the opposition is like nothing we have faced before. We have to create choas and make people disappear without a trace or fanfare.
I would be surprised if anybody we trust in Iraq is telling the truth. Everyone has their own agenda and they have a common thread of hurting the US.
When it comes to the middle east, we are the new kids on the block. Our decisions makers are like lost children not knowing which way to jump. We are lied to, tricked and set up like rubes. We pay the price in our young men and women.

We had ten decent shots at bin ladin in the past several years and the admin failed to pull the trigger because they would rather stick cigars in dark places than be responsible.

To tell you the truth, we are in way way over our head.

One last ranting thought, Putin has a plan cooking for his problems. I am not a fan of his, but I cant help to think he will eliminate the problem.

Randall has this situation nailed..good job

Frag kevin sites, exterminate all the so called insurgents fighting or not, kill 100 iraqis for every one american. Next stop supporting israel and let them and the arabs kill each other. Put the military on our borders, deport all the mexicans, armos, arabs, russians, koreans, chinese, japs. Then balance the budget with the money gained from not needing to support them. That would be a good start

ROB -Your losing your mind my friend. Keep it together. Remember this Blog is all about spineless Sites, not about creating the supreme race.

KIM- Are you having a love affair with spineless Sites? Only a person romantically involved with spineless Sites would defend this moron.

Kyle and Joe- That Marine didn't make a mistake. He was in a war fighting savages, not boyscouts. If you don't think after we healed that savage he would go back into the pool of terrorists, you guys are smoking some mighty fine giggle weed. We will heal him, he will live to kill another day. Perhaps next time it will be killing innocent children when he straps a bomb to himself, because that's what these savages do. Wake up !!

Liberal P- What can I say except let's hold hands and sing "we are the world."

Shit Bag Sites- yeah punk, this is about you. America will not forget what you did. Least of all Me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

america is not at war with iraq, amarica invaded
iraq. offcourse it was a bad thing of saddam to fly his plane into wtc, but hey! he was at war with the U.S.! so according to your logic that should be ok! stupid idiots! it's amazing how much you fuel the cliche of ignorant americans...
IDIOTS!!!

uh! oh! some liberal know-it-all just told me that it was bin-laden who flew the plane into wtc! how should he know! and i bet those weapons of mass destruction will show up soon! also the war has nothing to do with oil! america has plenty of it! or not? i mean, it's all about bringing democracy to those savages! and shooting it directly into their skulls is the most effective way, or not? you people make me sick!
intelectually you live in a 4th world country!
fuck you all! redneck retards!

Sane mind- I suppose finding a briefcase with enough sarin gas to kill thousands of people with Sarin gas is not considered weapons of mass destruction? But you wont see that on the news, because this whole time they were saying there werent any. Do you think they would admit they were wrong? Look what happened to Dan Rather. Plus most of the media, except Fox News, has a definite Liberal lean. They wont say anything that would seem to support anything about this war. Did you hear about Sgt Peraltz, who jumped on a grenade to save his friends lives? No, because the media is too eager to bash on our government, and what the military is doing wrong.

And one more thing, if you are going to comment on our intelligence, its spelled intellectually, not intelectually. It makes your insults sound less sincere when you dont spell correctly...

All American- I didnt mean the marine made a mistake in killing the Iraqi, I meant he made a mistake in letting the reporter follow him into a building that wasnt cleared.

oops! thx, kyle for the typo correction. but for a swiss, i think i'm doing fine. i normally speak german.

what puzzles me is the fact that you people tend to mix-up two distinct things: terrorists & the people of iraq. i'm not that naive to not hate terrorists for what they do. actually it pumps rage into my head! but i'm still cool enough to know, that killing wounded won't do shit against terrorists. to the contrary! with such behaviour the U.S. will create even more terror. history tells all. you can't say that every U.S. soldier who still believes in some ethics is a spineless twat.

ROB - go see a doctor imediately. you're either a spoiled kid or a severely retarded adult.

KYLE - the marine simply did not realize that the reporter was in the mosque. kevin sites was with the group for days. a team member. embedded. also this grunt wasn't in command. so it was not up to him to decide where the reporter goes. this poor idiot simply lost it, ok?

the marines also did not clear the building, it was cleared before. that's why there were only wounded and dead people. there were no weapons.

there IS a video which shows the whole thing uncensored, starting from outside the mosque. there was no fire from the mosque. not a terrorist was shot but a severely wounded unarmed person. >> war crime. it actually is that simple.

i even have feelings for the marine who did it. he's no monster. but he lost it in the mosque. period.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200411/r35639_88937.asx

watch it here and watch closely. listen to the things said by the marines and the embedded reporter.

KYLE -
another mix-up: sarin gas comes in canisters or tubes. not briefcases. you probably mean anthrax.
which is not gas. dan rather >> anthrax. geddit? also the suspicion that it came from inside the u.s.
always prevailed. maybe you forgot the details. an attack in a tokyo subway also involved sarin gas.
many people died. so why not invade japan?
you guys here just seem to be 30% informed or less. it's all over the web! look! think! DUH!!!

oh! forgot. sorry.

KYLE - you refer to this tiny amount of sarin gas found in faludja...kyle, kyle...
the weapons of mass destruction that were never found were thought of more as PRODUCTION FACILITIES! MISSILES! geddit?
mass! massproduction! almost every person on this planet can get a briefcase of sarin or anthrax!
by the way: did you know that the u.s. has the largest amounts of both substances? probably not.
but you can get it way cheaper in russia...

at least your spelling is good. :-|

Just when I knew all the answers they changed all the questions.

there are 500 billion barrels of oil remaining in the ground. What's my point you say? Hell I dont know, ask the sane one

Kyle - Thanks for clarifying. I agree. His mistake is he let a glory hound follow him around.

Sane Mind - Your from Switzerland. What the hell do you guys know about combat? You sit happily on the fence and have no opinion. I appreciate your banking laws and nice ski resorts, but other than that, you're pretty useless. Please, tell us more about how you have to repay the Jews for all of the stolen gold you laundered for the Nazis while they gassed and burned them. I'd really appreciate it if you would keep your opinion to yourself. Your not qualified or welcome to make remarks in this Blog. In fact, your country has done nothing to help any country in any conflict. Beat it !!!

ALL AMERICAN - don't throw around cliches. about every technical key invention is european.
if you are able to name ONE all american invention then try. also you insist that all the wars the
u.s. fought where for humanitarian reasons. ha ha ha! i'm not an america-hater. too many friends
of mine are american. i'm just saying that your country is #1 in fucking things up! history!
name ONE problem solved by the u.s.! you really think terrorism will just go away? are you naive?
9/11 was just the beginning. not that i like this fact, but it will show soon. btw: the u.s. didn't prevent
the holocaust. also it was several other countries too, which kicked nazi butt. but offcourse you
always have to be reminded of this fact. how do you think the u.s. got a space program? ever heard
the name Wernher Von Braun? there's millions of good americans, which means good people on a global scale.
never compare switzerland with the u.s. maybe you should think more of europe. you will face many new threats
in the near future. that's sad, but it's a logical progression. and logic is something you people are having difficulties with.

All American, thanks for your vigilance in guarding us against the Swiss, but you're not actually in charge of deciding who is welcome in this blog.

-- The Management

I would suspect the European community questions our
'"kill them all and let God sort it out" action. The thought of another powerful nation invading the US and killing thousands of people in hope of eliminating a few terrorists would cause me to take some covert reprisal against the perceived enemy.

Has anyone given thought that Hussein has sucked us into his country to ridicule and kill our young people? Spread rumors about WMD's, had his army surrender without much effort only to regroup as guerillas and cause us some serious casualties.

Everyone in the region is "nuking up" what are we going to do? Kill everyone. Why do we think we have all the answers? Why do we stay in bed with the Saudis when most of the terrorists in 911 were facilitated by that country. Follow the money boys and girls and you will find our enemies.

As I have said before, we are in way over our heads. We perceive people in the region to be stupid, unorganized and under-acomplished. In reality the insurgents are highly motivated, willing to die and fight by no rules whatsoever.

You think Russia wants to go back to Afganistan and loose another football stadium filled with dead youngsters? The Russians cut their losses and left.

Oh yes, we are bringing stability to the region. Now there's something you can wrap your arms around. I personally do not believe a single word the government says about why we are there.

You must fight terrorism like a surgeon removes cancer. Indentify, locate and remove. "Kill them all and let God sort it out" is bullcrap. Seal the borders, roam the seas, identify who is really our allies and remove our harmful enemies.

Back to Sites. I have read his report on the episode. It is not self-serving in that it chronologically captures the event. He does not convict the young Marine, he only presents some logical questions which will be asked in the future by the powers to be. Contempt prior to investigation is running rampant on this blog.

I personally have information as to Sites' character and convictions. They are not unhealthy . They are your everyday loyal, responsible and accountable characterists found in most Americans.

I have planted the flag in my 33 year career. I have earned this opinion.

I hope spelling is not one your priorities

Sane mind- I know what sarin gas looks like, and I know it comes in a tube. You can fit about 24 of the damn tubes in a briefcase, which is what they found. I saw the picture, it says SARIN GAS.
You say we need to find MASS production. The U.S. never said they were mass producing, they said that Iraq was in POSSESSION of weapons of mass destruction. As to the question of what has America solved? You say other countries kicked Nazi butt. Yes they did, after the U.S. came into the war. Which beach had the heaviest fighting at Normandy? Omaha. Who fought there? The Big Red One(U.S. Army)We helped invade Nazi occupied France, and the French didnt even help us where we needed it the most. Which beach did the Swiss land on? Is that good enough? Do I need to go into inventions, or just world problems, because I think Thomas Edison was born in Ohio. Unless the light bulb is not a good invention? I can keep going, because unlike what you say, I am informed. I try to look at something from all sides before I make a decision on it. Is the war in Iraq messed up? Yes. Did we overestimate our success? Yes. Will we just give up and go home? Hell no. So, instead of the rest of the world telling us how we messed things up, get off your duffs and do something about it.

Dave – My apologies. It is your Blog and I’m only a visitor. I was just taken aback that someone from Switzerland actually took a side. As far as protecting America from the Swiss, that was not my intent. I’ll leave that to the Salvation Army as they could beat Switzerland’s ass with one hand tied behind their back. I welcome Simple Mind’s babbling comments.

Sane Mind (Simple Mind) – No, I don’t think terrorism will ever go away. Terrorists will simply immigrate to loving nations like Switzerland. Once there, they will continue to plot murderous acts against innocent civilians. All while enjoying their protected Swiss immigrant status, fine Swiss chocolate and Swiss ski resorts. I think if anyone is naïve about the potential these savages posses, it is you. The question is not “if” terrorists will attack Switzerland..the question is “when.” Stand bye Simple Mind, the weather changing. Oh yeah, the Swiss did invent the Swiss Army Knife, so I guess I’ll give credit where credit is due.

Apple Farmer – You took the words right out of my mouth. Well put.

Sites - you're still a despicable vomitous mass that tried to win the Pulitzer prize at the expense of our troops. You're a piece of work

Dave – My apologies. It is your Blog and I’m only a visitor. I was just taken aback that someone from Switzerland actually took a side. As far as protecting America from the Swiss, that was not my intent. I’ll leave that to the Salvation Army as they could beat Switzerland’s ass with one hand tied behind their back. I welcome Simple Mind’s babbling comments.

Sane Mind (Simple Mind) – No, I don’t think terrorism will ever go away. Terrorists will simply immigrate to loving nations like Switzerland. Once there, they will continue to plot murderous acts against innocent civilians. All while enjoying their protected Swiss immigrant status, fine Swiss chocolate and Swiss ski resorts. I think if anyone is naïve about the potential these savages posses, it is you. The question is not “if” terrorists will attack Switzerland..the question is “when.” Stand bye Simple Mind, the weather changing. Oh yeah, the Swiss did invent the Swiss Army Knife, so I guess I’ll give credit where credit is due.

Apple Farmer – You took the words right out of my mouth. Well put.

Sites - you're still a despicable vomitous mass that tried to win the Pulitzer prize at the expense of our troops. You're a piece of work

Gees - Well, I can see this conversation really digressed since the last I checked - not to mention someone is using my name (rob is not me! -I am Rob - with a capital R! - you can probably tell by the comments that rob needs some help :)

Anyway, you all have to chill. We're all on the same side here, right?
It may not have been the best idea to go into Iraq without enough troops and a plan to win the peace. We are in a world of shit over there right now. I have not heard one idea on how to get the fuck out of there without leaving the place to the terrorists. Bush should have listened to his Military leaders (i.e Army Cheif of Staff, Shinseky and General White)instead of listening to Rummie and his f-ing civilian, unrealistic bullshit - who wanted to go in with only 50,000 troops! Same shit happened in Nam.... Fucking civilian leaders in the Pentagon making the decisions instead of leaving Military decisions to the Military!
They just laughed off the Powell Doctrine (not to mention Powell himself)- which was directly derived from the lessons we learned from fighting an insurgency in Vietnam - and the doctrine that Schwartzkopf used to win Gulf War 1. Read up People. The way the civi's in the Pentagon have handled this is a disgrace. They were told - and warned - by their own Military leaders, whom the promptly dismissed - and went ahead did things the way they wanted. We had about a month or two - right after the statue fell to have enough - of the right kind - of troops in there to secure the peace - and weapons depots - and show the Iraqi's that we were there to help. Instead we just sat on our hands, because we had no plan - because Cheney and Rummie belived all the bullshit that Chalabi was telling them. Now WE will pay the price for their mistakes. Reason number one to leave the fucking Military decisions to the Military!
As far as Sikes is concerned, I think he's a treasonous bastard and he knows it. If he really wanted to do the "right thing" as he so richeously claims, than he would have waited until the Military investigation was completed and then released the tape - WITHOUT THE SOLDIER'S NAME ON THE FUCKING VIDEO!
Learn some damn facts before you all start spouting off at the mouth.

Rob-Thanks for clarifying that the other one wasn't you. I was really shocked by the whole deportation statement(Being that I am half Japanese), and I thought that you had somehow become an ignorant imbecile from one statement to the next. Sorry man...

Hey Kyle -
Yeah, that dude (rob) definitely has a problem there.
I truly believe that our diversity is our strength - if you look into it, every nationality that has immigrated to the US has brought something special to our country...and it what makes us different from most other countries.
Japan is one of the best examples of how a country can realize it's true potential - not through military conquest - but through the ideas and hard work of their citizens.

Little Rob, Big Rob, and Kyle - Gents, let's get back to the basics here. This site is about that piece of shit reporter kevin sites. We can discuss the rights and wrongs of this war elsewhere.

Sites - Yeah you, scumbag. I'm not going to let the war dialaogue distract from the real reason we are here. YOU !!!!! You are and always will be known as the rat fuck reporter who sold out his country to be the first to get "the scoop." Your report did nothing. Period. You sanctimonious, pompous, self righteous dirt bag. How dare you think you are the "chosen one" to report on the hell of war. You're nothing you scum. Fuck You and your family !!!!

Ok All American - I concede your point: We are here to talk about Sites - and I tend to agree with you - although, strive to try to keep my emotions from clouding the points I'm trying to make - although, if I were to "let go" -it would probably sound very similar to your comments.

I can't believe that Sites tried to justify his actions with that self-serving b-s "letter to the Marines". Please Kevin (and I hope you are reading this) - You know what you did was wrong - whether you realize it now - or if you realized it then. You were in such a haste to get your story out in a timely manner, that you justified your actions with whatever malarkey you saw fit.

It is pretty apparent that if you really wanted to do the "right thing" (as you so self-righteously claimed in your "letter"), you would have made a copy of the tape - and submitted it to the Military for them to conduct a proper investigation. Then, when you released the tape after the investigation was complete, there would have been some real "context" to the story - and you know what? You probably would have taken the extra minute to EDIT OUT THE FUCKING SOLDIER'S NAME, YOU TREASONOUS BASTARD!!! (oh well... so much for staying un-emotional :)

As far as questioning why Kevin is/was a war reporter - or any other personal attacks on him - well, that's all extraneous...and subjective. But the fact that this clown was in such a hurry to get his story out in a timely manner so he could get his 15 minutes fame - and in the process compromised his commitment to maintain the soldier's anonymity - and provided the enemy with a valuable peice of timely propaganda - with no context (oh, I know you provided such context - right kevin -please) and no corresponding investigation results --just burns me to the core. Every hear of Karma, Kevin? Cause you got a little coming your way- you greedy, self-serving treasonous bastard.

I just want to say this. Who has done most of the fighting in Iraq? Marines. Who has had the most media coverage for bad things? The Army. It was bound to happen that the media would try to get ANYTHING on the Marine Corps. The media is like 90% liberal in America. That is the cold hard truth. It is run by people like Ted Turner who only care about money. Why would he worry about oil prices, or dictators. He just goes to his country club and sips on his martinis. This kind of leadership flows down into his organizations and they take a liberal lean. Not just Turner, but all of them. All they care about is their stories, and their Nielson ratings. We need to take a serious look at our media, and what it is doing to our American public.

Man, that's the truth. Seems like money takes precedence of everything anymore - including our own security. The "Media" is out of control -and we have to somehow find a way to regain some sanity and reality in the way they cover stories -and what stories they do cover.

If you've noticed, the shot by that marine was the last shot we saw of Fallujah. No more footage. I think the Marines are punishing the media for the actions of Sites and NBC - and I can't say as I blame them.

These kids are putting their lives on the line and fighting bravely and heroically every day - and the only thing the public remembers is that one Marine (quite out of context) blasting the cap off that wounded insurgent. I can't honestly say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

this is a trained Marine we are talking about.

they teach target discipline until the leather on the first pair of boots are worn down. Not to mention cross fire hazards. Alas, the Marines are very well trained. Training is what saves their lives. They train until all moves are instinctive.

Unfortunately, they have to hire from the human race and that seems to be the rub. I certainly forgive the Marine of his humaness. I respect and admire all who have gone before him. It is a shitty job. I will not try to stand in his boots.

Has anyone given thought to Sites being warned or aware of conspiracy to obstruct justice. Destroying the tape would get him prison time. Dont believe for a minute that such action has not been prosecuted time and time again.

Conspiracy to obstruct justice is the favorite catch all charge of the FBI. I have yet to see all the glory and fame brought to Sites as most people claim will come his way. You would think he had an easy decision to make. His integrity and courage to stand tall and deliver is something to be admired. You think he did not consider the down side to this event??? Sure he had options, but most of the options dealt with hiding or delaying the event. He is not hiding!!!

I dont deny you fellows your passion and opinions. I am just gald I am not over there in any capacity.

apple farmer - not sure I understand what it is your trying to say. On one hand your praise the Marines. On the other hand you praise shit bag sites for his treasonous report.
Here's the bottom line. Nowhere in the world is it written that US news reporters are required by law to follow Soldiers and Marines into combat. The US Military allows it to happen in hopes of offsetting the very effective but enormously negative press from the Arab media. I'm sure the intent of the US Military was to have reporters report on the 99% of the good things the US Military is doing in Iraq. However, "good things" dont sell newspapers or commercials. Therefore, the US Press loves to focus on the 1% of the bad things that happen. This negative reporting only fuels Arab hatred and begins to erode public support of our brave military. It's time to cut off US reporters from the military.
When the President tells the military to get the job done, leave them alone so they can do it. No press, no congressmen meddling in military strategy, no sites betraying his countrymen.
I will die a happy man when the only "scoop" sites can report is the winner of the local dog show.

UP YOURS SITES, YOU LAME EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN.

Yeah All American you are correct. I praise the Marine for just being there and defending our country and completely understand how this situation could have happened. If I was on the jury this Marine would be found not guilty in a heart beat. There are so many mitigating circumstances leading up to the event you could almost make a case for diminished capacity, battle fatigue or whatever term would capture the situation in his behalf.

On the other hand, Sites does not set policy or persuade the leanings of the left. If NBC and other liberal media grabbed the tape for their own destructive agendas, (like hating President Bush) it would be a stretch to hold Sites accountable for that. Sites is so far down the totum pole in this arena he would not even register on their radar screen. Personally I think he chose a lousy career with more down side than up. People I have talked to that know Sites extremely well, say he is driven, (maybe to a fault) I was never left with the impression that he was driven to prove this war wrong, or hurl rocks at this admistration.

For the sake of the argument, let's just say he made a big mistake in his decision to go forward. Is he responsible for the "treatment" or spin of the story by the powers to be? Does he have the technical capacity to remove the Marine's name from the tape without making it an "altered tape"?
Kinda reminds me of the cop on the beat. Everything wrong with the world is his fault, so you throw the rocks at the cop. (hopefully you get your ass thouroughly kicked for doing same).

I will admit to being more personally involved in this argument and realize my feeling are subjective because I trully believe what people are telling me about Kevin.

Apple Farmer - One Question:

-Was it more important that Sites and NBC did not provide an "altered" tape to al jazeera - or protect the anonymity of the Soldier as they had promised ????

And do you really think that NBC and Sites did not have the capability to "blank out" the Soldier's name on the video???

War and Apple Farming are two very different endeavors, my friend.

I can understand where apple farmer is coming from. I blame NBC more for what happened than Sites. I am pretty sure Sites turns in all his footage, but all NBC chooses to air is the dirty laundry. Soooooo.............Fuck NBC!

Rob

I have to fight to some fairly viscious pests when growing apples. It's my war against bugs. However, apple farming is my retirement endeavor. I earned my retirement after 33 years on the streets. Many shootings and loss of life. But that's another story.

I appreciate the variety of honest points of view during the end of this blog. Finally we have a conclusion that we all can agree on. Apple farming and war do not sleep in the same bed.

Rob, your point is well taken. I think I need to find a baseball forum.

Rob I almost forgot to respond to your question about providing the tape to what amounts to the enemy. We as a political/military operation have a bad habit of providing information to the enemy with much more serious consequences than this episode accomplished. But, yaah it is a consequence of concern Rob and it is sufficient to support your frustration and anger.

All this diplomacy bullshit we engage in is what fries my bacon. This is the area where we tip our hand and provide the enemy all the propaganda they need. I still hate france for not letting us fly over their air space to bomb Kadafi. I have breakfast with a retired Army Major who landed on Normandie on day one. The stories he tells when compared to the shit france is pulling now makes me wonder if it was worth the effort.

Funny how the world turns. We save frances' ass from the Germans and now they are in bed together against us. At least Russia has remained predictable all these years.

I am writing myself into a hole.

take care

Hey Apple Farmer,

I guess you kind of disarmed me there. You certainly seem to be a reasonable and knowledgable fellow. I apologize if I got personal there - certainly didn't mean it in a spiteful way.

I guess you hit the unifying theme that we all should remember - We ARE all on the same side here. I think you could hear my frustration- and in some weird way, it helped that someone just acknowledged it - and accepted it. Maybe that's why our friendly administrator set this site up in the first place ?

Anyway, it sounds like you've served your community well for many years - and I imagine it's almost therapeutic in some way to grow apples. Honestly, I'm jealous. Information Technology has done nothing but drain the soul out of me :)

I do agree that WE need to re-dress the way we release information, the way we deal with our so-called Allies - and the way our Media portrays (or betrays) US - and the news....

It can be frustrating that we have so little control over these things... Seems like common sense has been lost to the wind - and the Machievellian's have taken over.... I pray that some way we will find our way out of this mess - and see peace again in our lifetimes, but I fear this may not be the case....

Oh well, back to the grind....

One thing is for sure gentlemen: We will never refer to National Guardsmen as "weekend warriors" again..

The vile, racist, uneducated, mis-informed words that spill forth from those on this post are disgusting, profane, and give our good American people a bad name. Please! Have some shame!When presenting your justified arguments you MUST refrain from the sick & twisted mentality that make people think ALL Americans are like you.

I have a son in Iraq and I am not pleased with Mr. Sites but I am more appalled at this filth perpetuating the brutish nature of Americans. My son is fighting a just cause while the rest of you smear the good American name speaking this way. You shame jesus with that tongue and would better support our troops in Iraq if you used more intelligent thought provoking arguments. I pray for you all and for all God's children which include the people of other races and nation. Please! no more racism!

It is not Kevin Sites fault his camera caught a war crime on film. I have seen the unedited version, and the Iraqui did NOT pose an immediate danger. Shooting him was a war crime, period.

Instead you should blame the Marine who discraced himself and his unit by clearly violating all ethics and rules.

Fallujah is Sunni Muslim, and as such cannot be "liberated" - how can liberate a city where 90% of the people are against you??? All you can do is conquer, subjugate and demolish (which is being done quite effectively).

Don't forget Iraq was a Western invention, created after WWI because the Ottoman empire fell apart. We are responsible for creating the present situation.

Thank God you people in this forum are not in power, because you would blow up the entire planet if you thought your precious "American way of life" was in jeopardy. Who gave you the right to say democracy is the right choice for the rest of the world?

You should never get so much caught up in your patriotic bravado that you turn a blind eye to the errors of your own people.

Kevin Sites is just another journalist who has never been in the military and believes himself above the fray as does most of the media, they have all lost the ability to see from the American perspective ans think of themselvs as citizens of the world. Well please go and live in the world, leave the Marines and the rest of the military alone. In fact why not move to France, what a novel idea. Then you can be protected by the most fearsome military in the world. (sic)

The reporter had the right to publish/televise this footage. The constitution that these guys fight to defend guarentees him that right. Beyond that "right" however is the issue of decency. We fight an enemy devoid of morals. They lack any sort of respect for life. They will destroy us if given the chance. Thousands of snuffed out lives bear witness to that fact in silence. The broader consideration that this reporter should have understood is that he now is not only a pawn for NBC and the liberal agenda, but also for the islamofascist recruiters. I don't think that Kevin Sites would disagree that the millitary is attempting to be as humane as possible in this dirty venture. Unfortunately the enemy thay face is without any sense of decency or limit. Women, children, civilian men, merchants, aid workers, doctors...targets all. In their deaths lies the thread of hope for a talibanish regime.

As his career advances, Kevin Sites will always have to consider his big "break." It may well have been a war crime. The problem is that the Zarquawi's of the world don't have embedded reporters. Site's piece, and the constant barrage of anti american bullshit on NPR and the networks continues to weaken our resolve to do the right thing. Sites is a modern day Lady Macbeth. "Out Damned Spot!" Well Kevin, the American blood that you spilled will never come out. It is engraved on your conscience as surely as if you built the IED yourself. Of course you are probably not clever enough to build one. You are a simple voyeur. Devoid of vision. Devoid of honor. I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Doctor Bone

Bone
suppose Kevin told his editor not to go forward with the footage because it served no purpose and the guys in that unit were particularly professional and exceedingly brave? suppose the editor did not respect Kevin's opinion and went balls out with the footage. suppose these are the facts. Suppose I am in a position to know this.

Comptempt prior to investigation seems to be a desease running rampant in here.

Apple Farmer,
If that is the case, which I doubt, then Kevin should certainly publiscize that. Let the appropriate Al Qaeda recruter take the credit. If you are "in a position" to know this by all means let us know. Remember you're posting things on an anonymous blog. What I'm saying is that you are obviously full of rat crap.

Doctor Bone

Amazing !!! How can anyone support Sites venomous act of treason? He’s a voyeuristic self serving bottom feeder. Period. If you don’t think Sites made a conscious decision to try and gain fame for showing this footage, you’re an amazingly naïve person. Please go back to being an uninformed mushroom, smoke your pot, wear your tie-dye shirts and eat granola bars.

S Armstrong- Don’t bring Jesus into this argument, it’s a foolish point. Jesus has nothing to do with this. What would Jesus do? I don’t know, but he’s been pretty absent these days? But, thanks for praying for me anyway.

Apple Farmer- ????????????? what are you doing now? You know you’re not in a position to know what happened with Sites footage. Read Sites Blog where he tries to justify his actions as if he was chosen by a higher power to bring the truth to the world. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sites thinks he’s Jesus. Hey, S-Armstrong, I found him. Apple Farmer, come on my friend. Don’t try and sell yourself as something you're not. Sites is a parasite that feeds off the blood of our troops. End of Story.

all american
I wss told my information from an incredibly high placed source within the NBC (new york) family. No brag just fact. How factual the information reylayed to me is always open to speculation. But the person who told me is pretty squared away. There is a professional connection between myself and the source. I presented the information under the heading of "food for thought". Sometimes common people bump into circumstances like this but I certainly dont give it much thought with respect to my importance.

Your take on the shooting episode is something I am not trying to change. I admire you passion and honesty with respect to your feelings. In fact I dont even mind you trying to pull my covers. It is not necessary that you believe my story. I am not trying to gain anything.
Bones
on this issue i am not full of rat shit. Its not about me anyways

Update on this topic, the marine in question has received no penalty for shooting an unarmed, wounded, unconscious man.

Nice one America, keeping the world safe for democracy eh??

You Americans are all brainwashed like the nazis in prewar Germany. Ever wondered how millions of
Germans came into such a state of mind. Sieg Heil
propaganda ... and curse the Jews. Today it's no different some asshole President, full of lies ignores all international treaties, God Bless ... and curse the Arabs. How you got brainwashed you wonder? Look to the news in the sixties about Vietnam and compare it with the CNN warpropaganda of today... 80% of the Europeans consider Bush and Blair as warcriminals, even a 3-times elected former prime-minister in my country enlightened this on Dutch TV. It's well known overhere that
GW Bush oilcompany was saved from bankrupcy with money of Binladens ... ? You guys still think that God demands you to kill women and children in some desert somewhere? Get real and let good and independent reporters do their job. Support these men that show you the reality as it is. Ask yourself, did CNN ever present you with an indept story about the history and culture of these desert tribes? Ask yourself, why you are trying so hard to be more patriotic then your neighbor? Why ? To us overhere, it's similar conduct of nazis proving to be "Uberpeople" and better in line with nazi rule then teir co-fellows. Same behavior showed up during Cultural Revolution in China, i.e. kids turning there parents in for not thinking, obeying communist rules etc. Wake up ... and ask yourself "What am I doing?". Why are you so angry? Yes you are fallen into a trap and caught by it. America is not identical with freedom and democracy, although the White House propaganda tells you this over and over. The real fact is Americans have no clue, who these other 5.5 billion people
are that inhibit this planet. A lot of these cultures are more sophisticated on social issues and education. Being ignorent and having no respect, and yelling "nuke them, god bless" are not exactly signs of a great people living in free and democratic society. I would assign such outings to small-minded, fustrated fascist-types.
And here you are, trying to feel save from your own fears ... by killing of all the others on the planet? It makes sense then why you are not interested to know who these people are! And you think that we envie you, and want to live like you guys? Take a break and get real! To us you are the Stalin, Hitler, Bush, Blair, Saddam, Sharon warcriminals trying to enforce fascist rule by mighty military force. Trying too keep together an empire, from falling apart by inventing foreign enemies all the time. Big Brother is Watching You ... keeping the worlds safe, he ?
"If you are not with us, you are against us!"
quote by GW BUSH, Aaaaah and this religious fanatic is going to liberate the world, bringing democracy and freedom. Which FREEDOM? Your mind has turned to mush my friend, you live in a corporate society where marketing- & propaganda- lies rule and the media are controlled by a few. Go to the desert kill a few, for Coca Cola and McDonald, Sieg Heil!
Still don't know who the terrorist was, he? Think twice, terrorists are individuals trying with a minimum effort to create maximum effect. They fight a battle on their own terms, where you don't expect them. Ofcourse they are not gonna show up on a battlefield to confront a military power with aircraft-carriers ... it's more likely they work in your Cola factory changing the recipe a little. So what about this
WAR in the middle-east, based on fabricated intelligence reports? Let's face it, a few smart individuals took your country fore a ride, and the response was totally predictable, the US did bite ... 1-0 for terrorist! $200 billion loss US-citizens, $400 billion profit corporations. Pulitzer price for Kevin Sites. Stand up thou American, free thy self from the III Reich-Matrix.

The military brass in Europe considers it a well known and prooven basic strategic mistake, to have military personel perform police duties. Killing innocent unarmed people hiding in a church is one of the consequences. (Remember Hollywoods "The Patriot" and think of it from Iraki people pespective ...
these marines are criminals all the way trough up to their higher rank commanders Rumsfeld & Co).

Update on this topic, the marine in question has received no penalty for shooting an unarmed, wounded, unconscious man.

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Do you realize how many Marines have been killed by "unarmed, wounded, unconscious" terrorists? Its in the hand book jackass, feign a wound and when the American Marine gets close release the grenade.

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It's interesting how those on the right say one "hates America" if one disagrees with their views.

I wonder how many of those who support the invasion of Iraq knew any Iraqis or other Arabs prior to the current U.S. involvement in the region. I wonder what books on post WWI history of the Middle East they have read.

Actually the U.S. has been involved in covert and overt machinations in the Middle East since the early part of the last century. If one reads the memoirs of people like President Eisenhower, they are mostly talking about oil, and how to keep the Soviets out of the region and away from "our" oil.

The U.S. has also been involved in overhrowing Iraqi governments long before Saddam Hussein - the Iraqis remember this, if most Americans never heard of it. Iraqi governments prior to Saddam also: a)wanted to invade Kuwait b) persecuted the Kurds. Saddam didn't invent these policies - he just took them to the "nth" degree. Whose to say that future Iraqi governments won't look at the same policies.

A comment about the American soldier's treatment of the Iraqi's.

Have you ever received a ticket from a police officer or traffic agent? How did you feel? Did you feel like killing them or were you jumping with joy. Have you ever been talked down to by a cop, regardless of you financial or educational status? How did you feel?

If you had the chance you you have taken them out?

How does the Iraqi's feel when the white cops or seelout colored cops from most rural areas push them around? Well take them out!

Joe, like everyone else, I've been talked down to by a cop, but I have to say that, while I sure didn't like it, I didn't want to "take him out." Given a chance to, I wouldn't have.

It's so amazing to me that this debate has gone on so long.

I am just now reading it and in it I see through and through the grotesque humanity -- and inhumanity -- that goes along with belief and feeling.

I am a journalist. And while my liberal friends call me a hawk, my hawk friends call me a liberal.

Clearly, a journalist needs to report. In times of war, that reportage will be tinged by a hue that tilts one way or the other: support or criticism. No editor or ethic will prevent this; while the heat and pressure of war will only exagerate the two.

But for those of you that attack this Marine, I wonder if you could be in the same place, feeling the same fear and not have done the same thing.

Those of you who attack Sites, I wonder if you can understad the mind of the journalist, and in any case abandon what is cleary a case of racism that looks upon all middle-easterners as "dust monkeys," etc. You are much more a part of the problem than you are a solutino to it.

Racism has no place in serious intellectual discusion about the issue, and I hope that you all will have the heart and nerve to approach this issue in a context beyond such blatant discrimination.

To speak in your terms: God hates hate. Are you able to conquer your hate? If not, you deserve the same fate as the Iraqi and foreign insurgents that must be eliminated.

Love for all who love and seek only truth,
Robert

My take on this long-running blog?
Firstly I'm simply appalled by some of the language used on here to other posters and the threats that if you don't agree with such and such a viewpoint then I will make you agree via my fists or what have you.
Do those people not realise that similar rants are being offered up by their counterparts on the "terrorist" sites?
Equally there is no excuse for the snidey remarks and flakey logic some of the more left-leaning posters have used to bait the more flammable right-wingers either.

If you want to bad-mouth the Sites guy because you violently disagree with his action, then that is one thing......he sought the attention via his action....he should be prepared to take the flak too.

I would certainly point out that the posts by Robert are not the only views held by us Brits. I'll declare my background before anyone starts labelling me as a "traitorous pinko lefty" or a "right-wing fascist".
.I'm a 54 year old Brit. I'm reasonably well-educated, fair grasp of world geography, not too bad on history, numerate, worked for 6 years in Saudi training their technicians to repair computer systems, like a lot of things that America has invented/engineered, like a lot of things they represent, also dislike much of their political process and the influence of right-wing evangelical religious forces on their politics and thinking. Then again I dislike much of the same process in my own country. I also found similar things to dislike amongst some of the people in the Middle East too.
Left-wing credentials: used to vote Labour (the old lot that is (socialist to the Macarthyites amongst us :-) )), served as a trade-union steward too! Also used to read the "Guardian" when it was a great newspaper and not a fashion/consumer rag.
Right-wing credentials: Not ashamed of my country's history in general. Given we were a major-world power for quite some time (the major one for part of the time) there are bits I'd violently disagree with, but that's easy with hindsight.

Sort-of right-wing: Military background: regretfully no full-time service: sadly an arm joint problem that became permanent prevented me from passing the medical part of the RAF's pilot selection programme, but I did serve as a weekend warrior in a parachute battalion in the early 70's.

We we're part of a rapid reinforcement force on 24 hour notice to deploy to Europe should the balloon go up and those "red hordes of Russian savages" decide to invade.

Thank God we were never deployed to real action. We were gung-ho relative youngsters (I was 25 at the time) after all we were "paras" and we'd proved it in selection, but had little real idea how lightweight (timewise) our combat training was compared to the enemy we might have had to confront.

We weren't blood-thirsty killers, we were aware of and were taught, the basic decencies of combat and the Geneva convention. Had push come to shove however we would have found ourselves in a violent, deadly-dangerous, highly confusing game of life and death that we had to win at all costs. Nowhere to fall back to, probably heavily outnumbered and having to sort it out for ourselves on the ground we would have fought tooth and nail to hold ground and we wouldn't have been taking any chances on being taken out by the wounded or by booby-trapped corpses. Bear in mind also that this nightmare would have been played out among thousands of refugee "friendly" natives (French, West-German, Dutch etc) depending on where we'd been deployed and God only knows what the collateral damage costs would have been, while trying to eliminate the enemy.

It is however, highly unlikely that there would have been much danger of any of us facing disciplinary action unless there would have a violation so major that even combat-hardened troops would have reported it. Not because in such a few days we would have been suddenly converted into callous killers, not because it would have been an opportunity for each of us to see how much of a homicidal maniac we could be, but simply because we would have been fighting for our lives and our way of life and reality would have accepted it as so.

My basic sympathies therefore are with the troops on the ground. They no longer have reasonable freedom of action. Too often they are dogged by opportunists, carpet-baggers and all-manner of hangers-on, while participating in a game for which politicians and civilian decision makers alike have shown no aptitude in terms of realistic planning along with almost no understanding of the enemy. No I am not listing all Muslims as the enemy. Those moderates amongst them have as much right to worship God in their own fashion as I do. The problem are those people who believe they have a better God than the rest of us (including some of their Muslim brethren) and their divine role in life is to get us all under the umbrella of that better God. Those of us who do not want that can be murdered, coerced, bribed, blackmailed or what have you so long as we comply. It matters not how long it takes or how many die in the process, especially if you can martyr yourself as that finds great favour with God. That is not really a position you can negotiate with (Taliban, Afghanistan anyone?).

The troops on the groundare fighting a ruthless enemy - and before anyone forgets it most of the enemy isn't foreign fighters alone - a lot of it is Sunni muslim - you know the guys who kept Saddam in power all those years and who have the most to gain from preventing any form of democracy from flourishing in Iraq.
That enemy thinks nothing of murdering other Iraqis in their thousands (as they did while Saddam was boss) yet their attrocities too often now are listed only as a few quick lines on the web or on the inside pages of a newspaper. That enemy works tirelessly to create fire-fights in areas that are highly likely to produce civilian casualties when the Americans/Brits return fire. That enemy's higher command has shown itself to be highly skilled in manipulating the media and to understand how to feed the natural repulsion of so many Westerners to the reality of violent combat.
As one poster on here pointed out: big news sales are built around selling western audiences happiness or violence. Put up a front page showing the Jihadi-Iraqi violence to Iraqis and foreigners and there would be so much of it that it would rapidly lose its effect (as it has). Find a few criminal or allegedly criminal actions from the military and for the "free" press it becomes a feeding frenzy, regardless of the fact that the result is way out of balance with reality and also that it does aid and abet the enemy.

I wasn't there with the marine. However anyone who has done house to house clearing (even only in training) will bear witness to how dangerous a form of combat it is. Decisions are split second, you are running on adrenaline even in training and you learn quickly just how often you get dead (or your buddies do) when you are confronted by mutual possible dangers and you focus on the wrong one as your first choice. Under genuine combat conditions it must be close to anyone's worst nightmare. Get it right - you live to fight another day - get it wrong and you, and/or your buddy are dead or you have killed a wounded/defenceless enemy - all that to be decided rapidly and whilst in danger!

Sites had no moral duty to protect the marine (too many cover-ups in all walks of life have centred around not "grassing on the guys in the gang"), but equally he had no moral right to judge him by throwing him to the wolves. Who knows what was going through that marine's mind...what previous situations was he reliving...did he flashback....did he simply snap...was he right..who knows? Certainly not something that could be judged via a camera and a hasty rush to publication. A copy should have been lodged with the military authorities and due process followed. In the event of a subsequent "hush up" Sites would always have had the opportunity in reserve to make his copy public. In the unlikely event of the western media failing to take first choice and allow him his journalistic “integrity� he’d have no shortage of takers on the other side, after which the westerm media would have had to pick it up.

As for releasing a copy of the tape from which it was possible to acquire the marine’s name, that just beggars belief! Didn’t have access to the technology to block it out? In this day and age? Not exactly rocket science anymore given that any decent pc and video editing rig could do it. There are four possible conclusions: they were all incompetent.....they were all too self-centred on their own personal career gains.....they were too focussed on the commercial gains to be had...they were running to a different agenda than that of the forces in Iraq.........none of which exactly leaves them smelling of lilies and roses.

Whilst I normally decry the litginous society (a bad idea from the US that we now have in full swing in the UK) in this instance I hope the marine’s family can find a lawyer who will sue the network for distress/possible danger etc for as big a sum of money as they can get. More importantly that legal action might expose in court and the public’s eye the shallowness of many peoples action re that tape.

Incidently since several people have commented on the “integrity� issue that Sites was merely the messenger with a duty to report what he saw then how come we haven’t seen the reporting of all the hundreds of operations undertaken by the unit where there was no “wrong-doing� incident to report, but simply film of guys taking fire, trying to root out snipers, taking casualties and just generally getting on with a dirty dangerous job? You know that journalistic balance thing.

The other comments re how such actions estrange other Iraqis from us, whilst having some merit, also tend to fall apart when put to the test. Witness Basra this week. The British forces have always told themselves they were doing so much better than the Americans when it came to hearts and minds. Oh yeah? Suppose all the current fuss was just over a parking ticket was it? I reckon the big chiefs in the militias (this time the Shiites) decided things were too cosy and used their heavy infiltration of the Iraqi police/security forces to great effect: left wing/anti-war factions in the UK say “get the troops home we’ve got it all wrong and they don’t want us there�......and right-wingers are beginning to say “fine, if they’re going to act like ungrateful bastards then blow ‘em, bring our lads home and let them get on with their civil war (pending)�.

I found this blog post by accident because I was looking for background on Kevin Sites having just read his first piece as Yahoo's one man journalist "Kevin Sites in the Hot Zone".

I was intrigued by his brief CV and the list of all the war/major activity areas he seems to have flitted in and out of in so few years. The background bumf on the Yahoo site has a load of lofty pretentions that I'm afraid read to me just a little too much like "ego-speak" and even like a corporate mission statement to create a new market area.

That tape and the publicity don’t seem to have done him any damage. His new job certainly won't do him any harm career-wise. Should have news-gatherers falling over themselves to offer him stringer work or even a good base when he's home. Maybe even a lecturing job at his old alma-mater?

Call my interpretation cynical (and I'm not saying it was a planned outcome) but a final outcome of publishing the "marine" film might well give him a certain degree of "safety/kudos or just plain bargaining power" in his new found reporting which seems to concern itself with reporting one-man style (though obviously with the financial and technical backing of Yahoo News Services) a lot more from the "enemys" side. His first blog is from Mogadishu.

You can read it on Yahoo. Pretty lightweight, rehash of old stuff, and again it's poor old America that had it all wrong and was the bad guy throughout.

Incidently Yahoo states on the site that they witheld posting his report until he was safely out of the country. Seems the urgency to report news hot or not can be variable after all.

I’ve very little respect for war-correspondents anymore. Too often now when they get hurt it’s not because of heroics but because they allowed ego to put themselves in silly situations. Too many war correspondents become famous for a very short exposure to the hot areas (if any) while soldiers die in virtual anonymity. How many well known names filed copy from the roof of the main hotel in Saigon and went on to other “visible� positions in the media, yet it took the dead soldiers some 3 decades to get a monument back home?

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A sincere question directed to soldiers on the blog:

Are you upset that he posted the footage, or are you upset that by doing so, the Marine was questioned about his actions? It seems to me like there are two issues getting treated like one by some of the posters.

My question is why would you be upset that he showed the reality of war to those of us who haven't had to really "be there?" I would think that you would want people to understand just how complicated and stressful every day is for a soldier because it conveys how much they are going through. Giving people a more clear insight into what really happens seems like it would be a good thing, because otherwise people might oversimplify war and underestimate the work, judgment, courage it takes to fight one.

What I take away from Sites' work is that soldiers face incredibly hard judgment calls at every turn, under incredibly stressful conditions. I agree with the poster who said that we honor soldiers because we assume that they act honorably, using their best judgment when making those split-second decisions...as Americans we do assume soldiers are well-trained so that they can make the close calls well. If that's what this soldier did, then to me that is what counts and I respect his decisions. (If he was outside the bounds of what has been decided about appropriate conduct, then he has been trained to know that as well and I don't see what is wrong with holding him to the standards we create.)

But assuming that the soldier's actions were appropriate and within the bounds of correct judgement for that situation in that context, isn't the problem more that the soldier is now being judged for doing his job? I understand being outraged if it is because soldiers realize that this kind of thing *has* to happen and find it insulting that people then want to judge the soldier who has to do it. But I am confused why the outrage is getting projected onto Sites for bringing it to our attention?

Said another way, if the soldier was doing his job, and that's really what the job entails, what's so wrong with Sites doing his job and letting us see it?

Kevin Sites is a cock sucking butt fucking faggot. Fuck him!

Stupid ass mother fucker!

Ignorant piece of shit.

Bin laden's your lover, Kevin you stupid asshole.

Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

Have a great day!

Kevin Sites is gay.

Hi American heroes and veterans
We know that you have done a lot of good over the years. But please do not forget that your presidents invasion of iraque was illegal to start with, and that this invasion according to independent scientists have led to the death of over 650 000 mainly innocent civilians.
With that background, the heroism of killing a wounded enemy because he is breathing becomes a bit tainted.

Why do you protect mr Bush who has decieved both his fellow countrymen and Americas loyal allied all over the world?

Are all wars justified in the view of an old soldier?