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April 11, 2007

Code? Nah. Codes? Maybe.

We've all got a real problem. On some sites comments are so nasty that they are driving people off the Web. Even if the comments on your own site are always respectful and sweet-natured, the verbal violence on other sites is your problem. Our problem. It's not as bad as some in the media portray it, but when Kathy Sierra gets over a thousand messages, mainly from women, saying they've been stalked or bullied, it's an issue we can't ignore.

Unfortunately, there is no easy solution. A Blogger Code of Conduct goes down the wrong path. Codes only can play a role if they're plural. Very plural.

Lisa Stone puts it all well when she explains why a "one-stop-shopping" code can't work for all:

Images that are appropriate for a blog devoted to the war in Iraq would never work on a parenting site, for example. They shouldn't have to play by the same rules. And we all know how I feel about the First Amendment. :)

So, here's a longer way around to the same point. (More of Lisa here.)

The first and least debatable Blogger Code of Conduct is the body of law that sets limits on what we can say in public. Death threats, libel, and giving away state secrets are all out. But when we try to get more specific than "No death threats! No nuclear secrets!" what do we really all agree about? A Code of Swimming Pool Conduct that says "Swim safely!" is of little use. The only code worth posting poolside says things like "No diving. No swimming without a buddy. " But what's the equivalent for blogging, that is, for talking together in public? A single code of conduct would need to drive down into specifics about which bloggers disagree.

Further, no single code could cover all the different ways we want to talk. Conversation shapes itself to its topic, venue, goal and personal relationships. For example, if I'm arguing with a like-minded friend about politics, my social group's norm allows me to be more interruptive and use more curse words than if I'm talking with an acquaintance from the other side of the fence. Our norms tell us exactly how much bad language we can use with our family, at work, at the sports stadium, and when meeting our future in-laws for the first time. We know how loud we can talk whether it's sermon time at the synagogue or South of the Border Night at the bar. There is no possibility of coming up with a single code of conduct because there are too many circumstances in which we conduct ourselves. We are left, ultimately, with our judgment.

Behind the drive for a single code of conduct is often the idea that there is one particular type of conversation at the pinnacle of all conversations: The rational discourse in which two people who disagree work toward the truth. Civility is important there. I'm thrilled to be at an institution — the Berkman Center — where those sorts of conversations happen every day. But those are not the only sorts of conversations we should, could, would, will or do have. Some conversations should be raucous. Some should get people red in the face. Some should have us leaving muttering under our breath. Polite, respectful civil conversations are not the only ones worth having because conversation is about much more than the mutual discovery of truth. Conversation is how we're social, and thus is as rich, ambiguous, implicit, and multipurpose as we ourselves are. Yes, as Tim O'Reilly says, "Free speech is enhanced by civility." Definitely. We need more civility. But free speech is also enhanced by healthy doses of incivility. In our drive to limit harmful speech, we need to be careful to preserve risky speech.

Of course, that's assuming a particular model of civility. If, instead, by "civil" one means only that the conversation should be respectful, then I agree that many more conversations need to be civil. But: (a) Respect is not always the highest value of a conversation. (b) What constitutes disrespectful or injurious speech depends upon the target, the speaker and the context (again, ruling out posts that cross the boundaries of the law and our shared sense of decency). (c) A code of conduct that says that, for example, we should be "respectful" will founder on the details of implementation since there are so many norms about what constitutes respectful discourse — sitting in a quiet room with our hands on the table and our heads cocked attentively being only one scenario. Without the implementation details, the code is as useful as the "Swim safely" poster at the pool.

But then we come back to the problem: People violated - threatened, bullied and stalked - by thugs wielding keyboards. When those comments cross the legal boundaries, there may be legal recourse, although usually that's not practical. It is a problem with no easy or short-term solution. When the comments are posted on the victim's own site, there are tools for dealing with them, although none works perfectly. A blogger can moderate the comments, perhaps add a reputation system, or even forbid anonymity. A code of conduct is one more tool in the box. Such a code makes explicit the rules already implicitly governing a comment space. As we come across blogs more and more randomly, it often doesn't hurt to be told that a site won't tolerate bad language or wants commenters to stay on topic, if those are the local norms. Bloggers can of course state that already — there's an infinite supply of sentences — and many do, but coming up with standard ways of expressing the rules would encourage their expression.(That's what I was suggesting 1.5 wks ago, and it's what I like in Tim's idea.) Transparency generally is good.Posting rules of the pool that make explicit the existing implicit norms can be a worthwhile tool...although pasting a long list of precise rules can indeed inhibit free swim.

As for encouraging civility: Absolutely. I like civility. Truly. I encourage it on this blog's comment pages, and I even try to model it on occasion. But I also like a good fart and a high five now and then.

[Tags: blogs civility kathy_sierra bullying cyberbullying convesation free_speech lisa_stone tim_oreilly everything_is_miscellaneous berkman]


Heather Havenstein of ComputerWorld interviews Lisa Stone on this very topic...

Posted by D. Weinberger at April 11, 2007 09:14 AM


Comments

Well, these problems/issues are expected. In the same way that word bullying occurs, so does sexually offensive/degrading material, unwarranted racial attacks etc.. etc..on the free and open internet.
When someone has free access to communicate, and can do so anonymously or nom de plumewise, then the door opens for mal intent for such is some of the grass that grows on this planet.
Of course this will create pretext for closing the internet, but then didn't the 11th of September create pretext for other such things?

Posted by: antonis hontzeas | April 11, 2007 09:30 AM


I do think the cultural context is important here - I think that what we're struggling with is how to come up with a global consensus on what's civil without acknowledging either that our local contexts are so different or that we are each largely ignorant of other local contexts.

I was in the room at Les Blogs 2 when Mena Trott got herself into hot water (or was savaged by the mob - depending on your point of view) around this subject. To me, it wasn't just about arrogant European geeks getting snarky - there was a real breakdown of communication and common understanding.

And for some reason, your difficulty ordering an omelette in London seems to fit in here somewhere, but I'm not sure where :P

Posted by: Lloyd Davis | April 11, 2007 09:47 AM


Thanks for writing all this, David. It's a very clear articulation of why one standard for all blogs will never work, but also why it's important for each blogger to make his or her own standards transparent and credible.

I've been the victim of personal attacks on my own and other people's sites, and I feel that ultimately the only solution is for Internet "consumers" to be more savvy and discriminating about who they trust. Perhaps we should have a public BlogTrust index...?

Posted by: Ruby Sinreich | April 11, 2007 11:48 AM


What is the place of personal attacks -- that is, name-calling, ridicule, threats aimed at specific people? If a person's proposal, statement, behavior, or idea is wrong, stupid, ridiculous, unethical, revolting, evil, lame, then a commenter ought to be able to make a case regarding that proposal, statement, behavior, or idea. Of course I see the value in unfettered hard argument, but I don't see the value in attacks on persons. Maybe there is such value. Can anyone explain what it is?

Posted by: Howard Rheingold | April 11, 2007 01:19 PM


Amen David. A one-size-fits-all "code of conduct" is as untenable a concept as one-size-fits-all jeans. Not only is it impossible, the idea demonstrates a lack of respect for the unique needs of individual users.

P.S. What I would give for audio of this post, especially the closer...

Posted by: Lisa Stone | April 11, 2007 01:46 PM


Throughout all of this conversation on civility, I hear Lenny Bruce's (probably misquoted, but anyway...) voice ringing in the back of my head: "If you limit the right to say fuck, you limit the right to say fuck the government." As you correctly point out, there are some aspects of discourse that just cannot be appropriately expressed civilly - that's precisely how discourse often is constructed (nod to Foucault here). I find it a fascinating confluence that this controversy and conversation among bloggers coincides exactly with the foofarah about Don Imus getting a bad case of potty mouth (what else is new) and the publicity about the Chinese furniture company that described the chocolate-brown colour of its sofa using an epithet that more commonly, if inappropriately, refers to African-Americans. Both South Park and Jon Stewart have taken their respectively unique examinations of what is turning out to be a rather large issue that spans both cyber and physical spaces.

Posted by: Mark Federman | April 11, 2007 02:24 PM


I notice you didn't assign this post a tag for "farting."

Posted by: AKMA | April 11, 2007 03:03 PM


Another significant, lack of plurality issue is that the vast majority of people who blog (and comment on blogs) aren't "Bloggers."

I see similarities between the "Blogger Code of Conduct" statements and "Employee Code of Conduct" statements produced by corporate HR departments. While these statements may be widely applicable in all kinds of circumstances, they nevertheless are given power to be effective within assumptions of cultural / community / corporate (etc) boundaries.

Some early (pre-2003) bloggers and blog industry insiders may assert one or more "blogger" identities, and assume that there is a "blogosphere" with some sense of boundaries. But, most people with blogs have nothing to do with any of that.

Posted by: Jay Fienberg | April 11, 2007 07:21 PM


a tiny atoll of non-conformity is often imagined to be the shaky grounds, and foreign fertile soil of a greater enmity, and a vindictive lynch mob's expedient land-fall for ritual heaving of cathartic salvos, fired in misdirected rage behind the aegis of diplomatic impunity, granted by virtue of the patriotic group act in hunting the enemy without.

big brother?

it's you and you

Posted by: Daniel | April 22, 2007 05:54 AM


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