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January 02, 2007
This is so fascinating. Us middle-aging bloggers who think blogs are about building selves in the new public are apparently not speaking for anyone other than us middle-aging bloggers. Maybe Web presence for the young'uns has little to do with building selves or maybe the nature of that public self is so different from the corporeal one the middle-agers have imported from the real world, or maybe something else entirely is going on. And maybe—although I think this is less likely—when the young'uns age to the middle, they'll feel about their Web selves the way us current middle-agers do. Damn, this is an interesting world. [Tags: danah_boyd self web everything_is_miscellaneous ] Posted
by D. Weinberger at January 2, 2007 01:42 PM
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I think it's important to consider if the model for "self building" online that some bloggers have advocated is too much a property ownership model, e.g., I own property therefore I am. For a blogger, that property might be a blog, and more generally, it might be a URL or email address or IM nickname, etc.
I thing there is value in owning things like URLs and email addresses, and even teens could realize that value. But, I am not sure that value is a foundational kind-of selfhood / identity. There may be identity in it, e.g., in one context, I am the guy who owns the green house on the corner. But, it's not: I own the green house therefore I am.
Posted by: Jay Fienberg | January 2, 2007 02:56 PM
Youngsters need to explore the world and themselves before they begin to establish their identity (or several).
Identities are commitments.
Reputations can be favourable as well as not.
The bigger the sandcastle, the more work you put into it, the more inclined you are to stick with it, protect it, etc. Regular purges by a self-made tide of absence or neglect keep things clean and simple until you're ready to mix in the cement and establish a more concrete presence.
It's just like playing a multiplayer game. Mess about with shortlived characters until you're happy to settle down.
I think the biggest hurdle is to convince the fuddy duddies that there's no need to attach online identities to physical identities - one only needs to know how identifiable any given identity is.
Grafitti cannot be libel until the author is determined. Authority and reputation are not things that can be enjoyed by the anonymous. However, argument does not need authority. It is only the promotion of an argument that benefits from it.
So, without reputation, falsehood cannot be promoted, nor can it be self-evidently supported.
Posted by: Crosbie Fitch | January 2, 2007 03:31 PM
Your (and danah's) observation might be interesting only for the fact that you are observing behaviour that has always existed, but you've never noticed before (damn, how those intertubenets create a cool anti-environment).
"Young'uns" typically do not care (and have never cared) about establishing permanent and persistent reputation until later in life - later being a relative term, of course. Young people tend to do things about which they might later be embarrassed, assuming they were ever found out. The fact that a web page is often more persistent than the cliched "permanent (school) record)" makes for interestingly changed dynamics when youthful indiscretions are later discovered at inconvenient times. However, I would not at all be surprised when such things are accepted and ignored by a future turn of society that is considerably more mature about such things than our North American society currently is.
Posted by: Mark Federman | January 2, 2007 05:13 PM
David,
Have you read this: http://nymag.com/news/features/27341/index.html
It goes with Marks "I would not at all be surprised when such things are accepted and ignored by a future turn of society that is considerably more mature about such things than our North American society currently is".
But is it not also about "building selves in the new public"? In that case, your second guess might be right: "maybe something else entirely is going on".
Posted by: Sven Cahling | February 23, 2007 09:07 AM