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MT vs. WordPress

A friend of mine wants to move from Blogger and set up blogging software on her server. She’s not very technical, but knows which end of an FTP to hold and has at some point in her past changed permissions on files on her server. Between Movable Type and WordPress, which do you think she’s more likely to succeed at installing on her own?

37 Responses to “MT vs. WordPress”

  1. I think WordPress, both are easy enough, but for a non technical people in the long run wordpress its better.

  2. WordPress. No contest. The failure dialogues have better information as well.

  3. WordPress is the easiest install imaginable, and the experience will continue to be a positive one after it’s up and running.

  4. WordPress. I’ve installed both on various systems from Redhat Linux to Mac OS X. WordPress for sure. Though it’s not nearly as mature of a product, I like it a lot. I switched my own blog to WP a while back.

  5. As one who has installed both, as long as PHP and MYSQL are available, WordPress all the way. Vey easy install. I just installed and inported all my MY posts into the latest version (even though, for the sake of continuity I am staying with MT until such poinst at which I would want to “weave some of my own features”, where WordPress again would be king, given that PHP would be a more accessible language and more widely supported than Perl.

  6. Another vote for WordPress especially with the new theme system for the less PHP savvy. Quicker, easier, free, etc.

  7. I use b2evolution, but it is a fork off the tree that created WordPress. I looked at the MT install instructions, laughed and deleted the package.

    As a lark, I installed WordPress just to see how easy it was. Can you say “ta-da”?

    Go with WordPress; much happiness, fewer headaches.

  8. Of course, I’m biased towards Movable Type because I’m the Product Manager. WordPress is indeed easy to set up, but going forward, you don’t want to throw a non-technical person into not only having to learn new software but also a programming language?! (PHP)

    One of the (MANY) nice things about MT is that the templates are nothing but HTML and MT template tags. I’ve heard a lot of frustrations from former WordPress users who were scared to alter their templates because they didn’t know PHP.

    Anyway, I’m curious: Why are WordPress and Movable Type the only choices? She sounds perfect for something like TypePad.

  9. Jay: the theme system in WordPress 1.5 has cleared up most of the potentially scary PHP stuff that had to be done in the past. The contact a new user has with PHP in doing basic customization of their blog is minimal to none. Just grab a theme, upload it and enable it:

    http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/

    And if she’s willing to put up with a hosted service like Typepad (though it sounds like she wants the control of hosting it herself), there are also hosted WordPress services:

    http://wordpress.org/hosting/

  10. WordPress.

  11. http://www.nucleuscms.org is pretty easy to install, to customize and to manage. I think it’s better than the both above… best, hdhd

  12. I see some people got here before I did, but as Brad pointed out 3 of the 5 hosts on our hosting page offer one-click installs for WordPress, which is about as easy as you’re going to get for a web application that’s not hosted like Typepad or Blogger.

  13. WordPress.

  14. ..you don’t want to throw a non-technical person into not only having to learn new software but also a programming language?! (PHP)

    Typical knee-jerk reaction for a product manager? So he’s saying Perl is the programming language that she already knows or comfortable with?! Funny that.

    Using a software based on a programming language does not mean learning the programming language. Typical scare tactic.

    WordPress all the way. My 0.02.

  15. Wordform!

    With the all new and SECURE metadata layer!

    And I’ll even throw something taggy into the next release, just for you David.

  16. These choices are silly. Unless you want to muck around with software, everyone on Blogger should go to TypePad if they want to step up.

  17. WordPress would be better. MT has terrible documentation and nothing’s been done about it for a very long time because the company seems to be focusing on the more financially lucrative Typepad. I am moving to Drupal or rather my webdesigner is moving my site to Drupal. Don’t know if I’d recommend Drupal.

  18. I’ve done both, and am a MT Pro license holder, courtesy of Anil, but I have to say WordPress by a mile.

    WordPress (or perhaps wordform): Extremely easy to install, gradual learning curve (you can do something very soon), very active plug-in community. PHP. Free as in libre and as in beer. Less problems with spam.

    MovableType: More complicated to install, harder to modify. Mixed Perl & PHP. Orphan product that hasn’t had real features added in years, and plug-in authors now focused on trying to make a business of writing plugins. More problems with spam. Was a great product when it got started, but has been surpassed.

    Of course, 3 of the blogs I maintain are still on MT 2.66 because I haven’t had time to convert them :-)

  19. Go with Wordform! In the war between MT and WordPress, choose door number three! Piss off both groups equally!

    And your friend will get the bonus of using the only weblogging tool that is being developed and supported exclusively by women. Not only a superior choice from a metadata point of view, but politically correct, too!

    And Wordform is guaranteed free of animal testing — no small, furry animals were harmed in the making of this product.

  20. For a serious moment, I did want to say to the TypePad folks — did you happen to read what David wrote? His friend wants to set this up in her space. TypePad is a viable ‘hosted’ option, but that’s not a relevant choice in this particular case.

    And another serious moment — David there are a great number of self-hosted products, including some commercial ones (such as pMachine and ExpressionEngine), as well as other offshoots (such as b2evolution, mentioned), and other products (such as TextPattern).

    Regardless, it is important that your friend realize that if she’s doing this work herself, she’ll have to open up text files and type database connection information into them; she’ll have to keep an eye out for security updates and be willing to overlay her existing installation when new security alerts happen; she’ll have to understand her environment enough to know when a host makes a decision (such as shutting down mt-comments.cgi or closing down some file opening functionality, impacting negatively on many of the PHP-based applications), she may need to change hosts, or make adjustments to her installation.

    She is going to be exposed to a great deal more of the technology if she self hosts than she was using Blogger. And unlike some popular webloggers, she can’t always count on ‘free’ support.

    She’ll not be happy with either MT or WP, if she’s not aware of the potential problems; or if she hasn’t had a chance to view all of the options.

  21. i just tried moving blog from blogger to a wordpress blog i installed on server. i’d describe my technical proficiency as about the same as your friend.

    it was a no go.

  22. Funny. I’m a techno-klutz and it worked fine for me in testing.

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  24. Cheers for this, i’ve been thinking of moving over from blogdrive and another blog from blogger to either of them. The reason I haven’t yet is dithering over the issues raised in the entry and comments. Thanks everyone!:)

  25. Having installed MT and WP, they were both the same difficulty. WP was faster than MT, but not harder to install, by any measure.

    WP beats MT on the categories side: infinite number of categories per post.

    MT beats WP on the design side. I can actually make it look how I want. And I *am* modestly proficient with PHP.

    WP sucks for custom designs. MT rocks.

  26. Obviously, I have a bias here (I’d suggest TypePad, just because everyone *thinks* they want to install and update software, but they get over it by the third or fourth update) but I just wanted to point out that MT has supported an infinite number of categories for more than 3 years.

    If MT is the right choice, there’s a paid installation service, as well as web hosts that offer MT preinstalled.

  27. Chetan said:

    Typical knee-jerk reaction for a product manager? So he’s saying Perl is the programming language that she already knows or comfortable with?! Funny that.

    Since MT 1.0, I have yet to see a lick of Perl in any user template. The same cannot be said with WordPress, with or without themes. Next time you try to attack me, it’s best to have some ground to stand on.

    You know, opening up a thread like this is like asking which religion is better: Christianity or Islam. Everyone’s got an opinion and you can’t give a straight answer without being kicked for giving it.

    Dave, good luck finding your friend a good piece of software. Let me know (by email) if you have any questions I can answer.

  28. I’d like to chime in with the WordPress supporters, and again point at b2evolution, an offspring of WordPress. Considering the SPAM problems with MT, I have found my perfect solution in b2evolution. Its Anti-SPAM features are unmatched by *ANY* other package.

  29. WordPress versus Movable Type

    Open debate. Why do you love or hate either?

    Please limit discussion to versions available as of today, June 9, 2005.

    Is there a compelling reason to switch from one to the other?

    If you’ve got blogmaster buddies who are passionate abou…

  30. Jay, MT is obviously a solid platform, or it would not have been able to survive it’s transition into the commercial market.

    The main reason why MT may not be a good choice for David’s friend is that it is very difficult to set up (compared to WordPress.) You have to put certain files into special directories, and then change the permissions, and possibly edit the PERL location in every CGI file. This is a bit too complex for most.

    I also had some confusion because the windows install instructions were inserted in the middle of the install text, and it was hard to tell when the windows stuff ended, and the rest picked up. I was unable to get a working copy of the software installed, I gave up after only half an hour, but then I uploaded WordPress and had it running in less than 1min 30sec.

    I would really like to give MT a chance myself, but I don’t want to pay for something that I may not like just to get install support. How about making a more clear set of install instructions?

    For now David, WordPress is the best bet for your friend. No file editing, and the hosting company may have a one click installer (like Fantastico).

  31. Having recently installed WordPress myself i can honestly say it will take her 5 mins or less.

    I don’t know about MT though.

  32. B2evolution.net – Moveable Type was asking me to comment the perl and PHP myself. B2 installed by just adding mySQL database name, password and e-mail account. Has lots of great tools, more than you could ever need.

  33. WP v.s. MT

  34. wp

  35. When I heard about Blogs, i was looking for Movable Type and WordPress, and what I found???. Movable Type is made in CGI, WordPress is PHP. Movable Type is commercial, WordPress is free. I’m with WordPress… i love it.

  36. I wish someone would make the comparison between wordpress and B2evoution easier.
    It appears that I am going to have to do test blog.

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